-Jump.
跳
This one is heavy!
这箱真沉
Over here.
在这儿
Need some help.
搭把手
Be prepared!
准备好
And cut! Back to one.
咔 各回各位
I'm still not entirely sure how to…
我还不完全确定怎么弄
You'll wake up very sore tomorrow, I would say. Yeah.
我敢说 你明天起床一定会浑身酸痛
Your volume's on, you'll be able to hear everything.
音量开着 就什么都能听到了
I really want to.
我的诉求很坚定
But, you know--
但是你知道
You're scared.
害怕的是你
Anyone would be.
这事搁别人身上也一样
Do you really think speaking out might stop him?
你真觉得说出来就能阻止他吗?
I think it's really important for voters to have this information
我觉得 选民在决定他是否适合担任总统之际
as they determine whether he's fit to be president.
了解这些信息非常重要
What if he decides to sue?
如果他决定起诉怎么办?
Would The New York Times be willing to help me?
《纽约时报》愿意帮我吗?
News organizations can't provide legal support.
新闻机构无法提供法律支持
You'd be on your own.
你能依靠的只有自己了
Hi, Rachel?
瑞秋
And you're definitely going to write about Jessica Leeds?
你确定要写杰西卡·利兹吗?
Jessica is absolutely on board 100%.
杰西卡绝对是百分之百地支持
Okay.
那好
I'll do it. I'll go on the record and say what he did to me.
我答应你 我会公开陈述他对我做的那些事
You will? That's great, Rachel.
真的吗 那太好了
Thank you.
谢谢
…in New Hampshire,
在新罕布什尔州
asking voters there to reelect the Republican senator
要求那里的选民重新选举共和党参议员
as a check and balance.
以此作为制衡
-Violet, no.
维奥莱特 乖
Baby, Momma's gotta go to work.
宝贝 妈妈得回去上班
You're gonna stay with Daddy, okay?
你跟爸爸待在家好不好
Violet. Violet.
维奥莱特 维奥莱特
Mom's gonna go to work. Come on. Let's go see your animals.
妈妈得去上班了 跟我来 我们去看你的小动物吧
-Come on. -Talia, you're my hero.
-走吧 -塔里亚 真的多亏你了
Wanna show me your elephant?
要不要让我看看大象呢
We didn't find any evidence of evil intent.
我们没有发现任何可证明 其带有邪恶意图的证据
You can't obstruct justice there.
你不能去妨碍司法公正
Morning, Jodi.
乔迪 早上好
They might not be as enthusiastic as they were four years ago,
他们可能不像四年前那么热情了
but we know where they are.
但我们知道他们身居何处
We know where young people are. We know…
我们了解年轻人 我们了解
Okay, just give him a call.
那好 给他打个电话
-Were you sick again? -Yeah.
-又犯恶心了吗 -嗯
It's meant to stop after the first trimester.
捱过孕期的前三个月 就没事了
-You should probably get some sleep. -Mmm.
-你应该多补补眠 -呃
Mmm.
呃
I will as soon as I get a response.
我一得到答复就跟你讲
From Trump's people?
支持特朗普的那些人吗
What happens if they don't respond?
如果他们不回应怎么办?
They will, but we can't publish until they do.
回应是板上钉钉的事 但是得先由我来报导
-Hello? -Is this Megan Twohey?
-喂? -请问是梅根·吐赫吗?
Yes, Mr. Trump.
特朗普先生 是我
I do not know these women. They are lying.
我不认识这些女人 她们在扯谎
And if I did something to them, why didn't they go to the police?
如果我真对她们做了什么 她们为什么不报警
Jessica Leeds and Rachel Crooks didn't ever say that they knew you,
杰西卡·利兹和瑞秋·克鲁克斯从没说过她们认识你
just that they were chance encounters.
只是说和你偶然相遇过
The New York Times has concocted these stories,
《纽约时报》杜撰的这些
and if you publish them, I will sue.
如果一旦发表 我会选择起诉
What about the leaked Access Hollywood tape?
那泄露出来的《走进好莱坞》录像带呢?
Do you do those things?
那些所谓故事还在上演吗
I don't do it.
我从没做过那些事
I don't do it. It was locker-room talk.
我没做过那些事 更衣室里的谈话罢了
更衣室里的谈话指的是男性之间粗鲁、低俗、冒犯且带有性暗示的谈话，通常发生在更衣室里。
And, Mr. Trump, Miss Utah,
特朗普先生 犹他女士你认识吧
she claimed you forcibly kissed her more than once
她声称你在美国小姐选美大赛上
when you owned the Miss America pageant.
不止一次地强吻了她
She's lying. You are disgusting. You are a disgusting human being.
她在撒谎 你也真挺恶心的
Several women speaking out,
几名女性站出来
accusing Donald Trump of touching them inappropriately.
指责唐纳德·特朗普猥亵了她们
Jessica Leeds and Rachel Crooks,
杰西卡·利兹和蕾切尔·克鲁克斯通过《纽约时报》发声
telling The New York Times they were both groped or kissed by Trump without consent.
特朗普在未经她们同意情况下 对她们进行了抚摸 亲吻
…for a company located in Trump Tower,
位于特朗普大厦的一家公司的员工发声
claims the billionaire kissed her on the cheeks and the mouth.
那位亿万富翁亲吻了她的脸颊和嘴唇
Oh, my God.
我的天
Fuck. Rachel, I'm so sorry.
靠 抱歉啊 瑞秋
I went on the record, you published, and this is what happened.
我站出来公然发声 你发表了报导 结果就是这样
Yeah, I'm so sorry.
我真的很抱歉
I was prepared, you know? But not for this.
我做过心理准备 但绝没想到会这样
An envelope full of shit?
一个装满大便的信封寄到我家
Was there anything written on it?
上面写了什么吗?
No. What can I do?
什么都没写 我该怎么办
-I can't even leave the house. -Oh, yeah, fuck.
-我都没法出门了 -我知道
Well, you need to write everything down.
这样 你把事情原委都写记录成文字
Tape any conversations or voice mails. You need to document any threats you get--
录下所有对话 语音邮件 你收到的任何威胁都得留痕迹
-Megan Twohey? -Yeah. That's us.
-梅根·特沃希是哪位？ -马上来
I can't even imagine.
我都没法想象
Shit. Rachel, I'm sorry. I have to go.
见鬼了 真的抱歉 我现在手头还有事
I'll call you back. I promise.
我保证 一定会给你回电
Rachel?
瑞秋
I'm calling from Bill O'Reilly at Fox News.
我是「福克斯新闻」的比尔·奥莱利
Are you a feminist?
你是女权主义者吗?
Are you fucking kidding me?
你他妈在跟扯什么犊子？
I'm sorry. Hi. Hi.
对不起 你好你好
-The final push till Election Day.
选举到了最后冲刺阶段
And as Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump make their closing arguments…
当希拉里·克林顿和唐纳德·特朗普进行最后辩论之际
-Bill O'Reilly's talking about you. -…the race has tightened even more.
-比尔·奥莱利在说你了 -竞争更加激烈了
The Factor asked Miss Twohey to appear this evening.
今晚 我们邀请了吐赫女士出席
She declined, no surprise. This is a tough forum.
结果被拒绝 当然这一点也不意外 在公开场合谈论这些实属不易
She and Mr. Barbaro did appear
她和巴巴罗先生
-on other cable outlets…
确实现身于其他有线电视台
…friendly to liberal points of view.
对自由主义观点持友好态度
We asked Miss Twohey if she herself is a feminist,
我们通过电话和书面形式
-both on the phone and in writing.
询问过吐赫女士 问她是不是女权主义者
She declined to answer in both cases.
不管是通过电话还是书面 她都拒绝回答此问题
I'm gonna go get some noodles.
我去煮点面条
Here's what she said about the article yesterday.
以下是她对昨天那篇文章的看法
You know, our story is the experience of many women,
发生在我们身上的事
going back over the years.
可以追溯到多年前女性的身上
Hello?
喂
I am going to rape you and murder you,
我要把你玩弄于股掌 然后杀了你
and dump your body in the Hudson River.
最后把你的尸体扔进哈德逊河
This night is turning out to be a real nail-biter.
今晚的空气里都弥漫着紧张的气氛
CNN can report
CNN报道
that Hillary Clinton has called Donald Trump to concede the race.
希拉里·克林顿已致电唐纳德·特朗普 要求他停止竞选活动
CNN projects Donald Trump wins the presidency.
CNN预测 唐纳德·特朗普将赢得总统大选
Breaking news on Bill O'Reilly. Let's go to Julia Boorstin. Julia.
为您播报一则比尔·奥莱利相关突发新闻 镜头切到朱丽娅·布尔斯廷
That's right. Fox has just announced that Bill O'Reilly is out,
没错 福克斯刚刚宣布比尔·奥莱利不再担任任何职务
saying, quote, "After a thorough and careful review of the allegations,
公司声称 「在对指控进行了彻底且仔细的审查后
the company and Bill O'Reilly have agreed
公司和比尔·奥莱利达成一致
that Bill O'Reilly will not be returning to the Fox News Channel."
比尔·奥莱利将退出福克斯新闻频道」
Of course, this follows the boycott of over 50 advertisers of The O'Reilly Factor
当然 此前《纽约时报》报道了比尔·奥莱利的性骚扰指控一事
after a New York Times report of sexual harassment allegations
福克斯和奥莱利共花了约1300万美元来解决5名不同女性的指控事件
and the report that Fox and O'Reilly together spent about $13 million
导致50多名《奥莱利因数》的广告商
to settle those allegations from five different women.
遭到了抵制
So, the story…
此事
-Job well done, Emily. -Thanks, Dean.
-艾米丽 这次做的不错 -谢谢
And you, Mike. Excellent reporting.
还有迈克 新闻写的很妙
…not be returning to his top-rated cable show.
顶级有线电视节目将再无他的一席之地
Are we talking solely corporate misuse of power?
我们说的仅仅是企业滥用权力吗?
No. We're talking all workplaces
不是 我们说的是
where sexual harassment might happen.
所有可能发生性骚扰的工作场所
Also, let's look for the enablers.
此外 造成这些的因素 我们也得搞清楚
Fox kept O'Reilly on for quite some time after our story broke.
我们的报导出来之后 福克斯电视台还让奥莱利留任了很长一段时间
And for decades before that.
在此之前的几十年皆如此
The network only ousted him when the advertisers jumped ship.
直到广告商们纷纷解约 他才丢了这碗饭
Let's interrogate the whole system.
整个体系需要我们去审视一遍
Why is sexual harassment so pervasive and so hard to address?
为什么性骚扰事件如此普遍 又如此难以解决?
Hey, do you guys have a minute?
两位有时间吗
Sure.
当然
So, I spoke to Shaunna Thomas,
我和女权组织「紫外线」的负责人
the head of UltraViolet, a feminist group.
肖娜·托马斯谈过了
She said the wrongdoing in Hollywood is overwhelming.
她表示好莱坞的不道德行为依旧猖狂
She's in touch with an actress, Rose McGowan,
她和女演员罗丝·麦高恩有联系
who has tweeted about being raped by a producer.
就是那个在推特上说自己被制片人强奸了的女演员
Thomas says it's Harvey Weinstein.
托马斯说那位制片人就是哈维·韦恩斯坦
And that McGowan is now working on a book about it.
麦高恩现在正把自己的经历编写成书
Wasn't he charged with something a couple years ago?
那人几年前不是被指控过吗?
Yeah. Um…
是
Ambra Battilana Gutierrez, an Italian model.
意大利模特 安布拉·巴蒂拉娜·古铁雷斯
She claimed Weinstein groped her in a business meeting.
她声称哈维·韦恩斯坦在一次商务会议上猥亵了她
The NYPD investigated it, but he was never charged.
纽约警局对此进行了调查 但施害人一直未被起诉
Talk to Rose McGowan.
跟罗丝·麦高恩谈谈
Try to talk to other actresses he's worked with.
试着和其他跟哈维合作过的女演员联系看看
Yeah, and I'll try to reach ex-employees.
好 我会尝试着联系
Hi. My name is Jodi Kantor.
你好 我是乔迪·坎特
I'm an investigative reporter for The New York Times.
一名《纽约时报》的调查记者
We're looking into sexual harassment in the workplace.
我们正在调查发生于工作场所的性骚扰事件
I believe you were an employee at Miramax
我记得你曾是米拉麦克斯影业的雇员
and worked for Harvey Weinstein in the '90s.
在90年代为哈维·韦恩斯坦工作过
Are you recording this?
你在录音吗
No, absolutely not.
没有
I won't quote from this conversation without your permission.
没有你的允许 你所说的任何话都不会被报导出来
But in your time as an assistant, were you aware of any instances
在你担任其助理期间 是否知晓
in which Harvey Weinstein treated women inappropriately or crossed a line?
哈维·韦恩斯坦有过任何不当对待女性或越界的行为
Did Harvey cross a line?
哈维曾越过界吗？
Would you like to hear her heartbeat?
想要听听宝宝的心跳吗
-Yeah. -Mm-hmm.
-嗯 -呃
Mary, thanks so much for calling me back.
玛丽 非常感谢你给我回电话
Who have you talked to?
你跟谁聊过这事
I can't tell you names, just as I would never divulge yours,
我不能告诉你 那人的名字 就像我绝不会透露你的名字一样
but if you wanted to share anything that you know,
但如果你愿意分享你所知道的事
that would be so helpful.
作用之大 自不必说
I don't think people will want to talk.
谁愿意跟人聊这种事
Sorry.
抱歉
Ms. Godrèche, thank you so much for responding.
戈德雷切女士 非常感谢你的回应
Before you continue,
跟你聊之前
I've talked about Weinstein in the past, but in private.
我也谈过韦恩斯坦相关的事 但只是私下里
My immigration lawyer does not want me to be involved.
我的移民律师不希望我卷入这件事其中
Involved in what?
卷入什么事
-Hello? -Oh, hi, Rose.
-喂 -嗨 罗丝
Um, this is Jodi Kantor from The New York Times.
我是《纽约时报》的乔迪·坎特
I wrote you an email.
给你发过邮件
Shaunna Thomas suggested you might be willing to have a conversation with me
肖恩娜·托马斯给我的建议是 你可能会愿意跟我聊聊好莱坞
about Hollywood, and specifically Harvey Weinstein.
尤其是 哈维·韦恩斯坦
Are you writing about him?
你在写他的相关报道吗
Yes, I am.
对
Look, I don't feel that inclined to talk to you about it.
听着 我不太想和你谈这件事
Could I ask why not?
我能问问原因吗
I've been treated quite shabbily by your paper numerous times,
我被你们这些纸媒虐待过无数次
and I believe the root of it is sexism.
我相信这就是性别歧视的根源所在
I'm sorry that was your experience.
很抱歉让你有过这么不愉快的经历
I've talked in the past, and nothing happened.
我以前跟人聊过 但后来什么事也没发生
I spoke at a political meeting recently,
我最近在一个政治会议上的发言
and The New York Times put it in the style section.
被《纽约时报》放在了时尚版
It does damage to shout, and no one listens.
呐喊无用 没人在听
I'm investigating systemic sexism in Hollywood.
我正在调查整个好莱坞存在的系统性性别歧视
How many pages have you got?
你写了多少页？
No.
还没动笔
I put myself on the line before, and it made no difference.
我之前也冒过险 叶落无声罢了
I've written about the workplace at Amazon, Starbucks,
我曾写过关于亚马逊、星巴克
and Harvard Business School, and change did happen.
和哈佛商学院这些工作场所的相关文章 事态确实有改变
They reformed their policies as a direct result of the Times articles.
报道出来的直接结果就是 政策得以改革
But if you don't wanna talk, I understand.
但是如果你不想聊 我也能理解
And good luck with your book.
祝你出书一切顺利
Thank you. Goodbye.
谢谢 再见
I spoke to Dad.
我跟爸通过电话了
He sounded worse.
他的声音更糟了
I gotta go see him soon.
得赶紧去看看他了
Could you go for a long weekend? You could take the girls.
你回去度一个长周末吧 带着孩子们一起去怎么样
I could take Talia, but not both of them.
塔利亚可以 两个都去我可顾不了
I'm having an affair…
我和一个非常有名的女演员
with a very famous actress.
有了婚外情
You want her number?
你想要她的号码吗
-She's so hot.
她身材真是没的说
This looks beautiful.
秀色可餐
You'd really like her.
你真的很像她
"I am a nasty woman."
「我是个下流的女人」
"I'm not as nasty as using little girls like Pokémon
我不像宝可梦那样的小女孩
before their bodies have even developed."
在身体还没完全发育之际 就被人玩弄操控
-Is that Ashley Judd? -Yeah.
-这是艾什莉·贾德？ -嗯
She wrote about being sexually harassed by a producer in the '90s.
她把自己在90年代被一个制片人性骚扰的经历写成了书
She doesn't name him, but she describes him as
全书没提施害人的名字
"one of our industry's most famous admired/reviled bosses."
但她形容那人是「我们行业最受尊敬/最受唾骂的著名的老板之一」
…"homophobia, sexual assault,
「恐同 性侵」
transphobia, white supremacy,
「跨性别恐惧症 白人至上」
-misogyny, ignorance, white privilege."
「厌女症 无知 白人特权」
-I'll go? -I'll get her.
-我去看宝宝吧 -我去吧
-Mom!
妈妈
-We'll both go. -Yeah.
-咱俩都得去了 -走吧
I don't know if I can do this.
我不知道自己能不能做到
You need to rest.
你需要休息
Can you try to sleep, maybe?
要不试试看 能不能睡着
I don't wanna be…
我不想…
I just have this constant sense of dread.
我一直被一种恐惧感裹挟着
You're tired.
你就是太累了
Your body's exhausted.
整个人已经筋疲力尽了
I think I would know if it was just that.
如果只是那样 我还有办法
Mom.
妈妈
Hello?
喂
It's Rose. McGowan.
我是罗丝·麦高恩
Rose, hi.
嗨
It's not just him you should be after.
你不应该只盯着他一个
There's an entire machine. A supply chain.
整件事就像被一台机器推着 一条供应链
Of abusers in Hollywood?
你说的是好莱坞的虐待者？
Right.
对
They're worldwide, wherever movies are being made or sold.
世界各地都有他们的身影 电影在哪里制作或销售 他们就去哪里
Each studio does the victim-shaming and payouts.
每个工作室都会羞辱受害者并为其支付报酬
If white men could have a playground, this would be it.
如果说 这世上有白人游乐场 那就是了
Do people know about it?
大家知道吗
Of course.
当然
I told a lot of people what happened to me.
我跟很多人聊了我的遭遇
At the Sundance Film Festival?
在圣丹斯电影节上?
圣丹斯电影节，为独立制片电影节之一。由著名导演、演员罗伯特·雷德福于1984年创办，专为独立电影人和影片而设
I was 23.
那年 我二十三岁
I was doing all these brilliant independent films.
我拍了很多出色的独立电影
I was just incredibly hopeful.
当时只是满怀希望
-Hi. -And then I went to that hotel room.
-嗨 -然后我去了酒店房间
Talia?
塔里亚?
I'm here.
我在这
He was on a sofa, talking loudly on his phone.
他坐在沙发上 大声地讲着电话
I waited.
我就在那等
And then we talked about projects,
然后我们谈起了电影项目
and he suddenly said, "I have a Jacuzzi in my room."
他突然说 “我房间里有个按摩浴缸”
I didn't know what the answer to that was, so I just kept talking.
我不知道他想表达什么 就在那不停地说
We wrapped up, and he said he'd walk me out.
聊完以后 他说要送我出去
And I thought, "Well, that went well."
我还心想「一切进展还挺顺利的」
It was my first big meeting.
那是我第一次跟大人物碰面聊项目
He walked behind me down a hallway,
他跟在我后面穿过走廊
and then he said, "This is the Jacuzzi room."
然后说“这间就是按摩浴缸房”
And I looked in, and he pushed me inside.
我往里看了一眼 他就把我推了进去
He stripped me.
扒光了我的衣服
And he was suddenly naked.
突然间 他也一丝不挂
I left my body in some way.
当时 只剩我的肉体留在那间房
And he raped me.
他强奸了我
I went into survival mode to get out,
为了脱身 我进入求生模式
and I faked an orgasm.
去假装高潮
He told me to get dressed.
他叫我穿好衣服
He left me messages telling me I was his new special friend
还给我留言说我是他新认识的特别的朋友
and that he'd done a lot for other actresses.
说他为其他女演员做了很多事
Did you report it?
你报警了吗?
Can you see the law taking my side on that?
你觉得法律会站在我这边吗?
But you told other people?
那你告诉其他人了吗
I told a lot of people, and nobody did a thing.
我告诉了很多人 但没有一个人愿意为此发声
Nothing.
没有一个人
Can I contact the people you told?
能把那些人的联系方式告诉我吗
You told me this was private.
你说过 这涉及隐私
He'll have spies watching you now, as we speak.
我们说话这会儿 他正派间谍监视着你
I hope you know that.
我想你知道这点
Hello?
喂
Hey, Megan, this is Jodi Kantor.
嗨 梅根 我是乔迪·坎特
Is this a bad time?
这个点打过来 打扰到你了吧
Uh… Um, no. It's fine.
呃 没事
Oh, I hear her.
我听到了
How's it all going?
宝宝还好吗
Yeah, it's, um…
呃 就是
I just got her down.
我刚把她哄睡着
It's the toughest part, I think.
哄孩子这事是最难的了
Is it?
是吧
I found it to be so.
我发现是这样
With my first daughter, I had postpartum depression.
我生完大女儿之后 患了产后抑郁
Everyone's so excited, and it's like…
每个人都很兴奋 就像是…
you're just not there.
你不存在于那一样
Right.
就是那种感觉
So, I got your email.
我收到你的邮件了
How's it all going?
一切都好吗
Yeah…
嗯…
I feel like there are a lot of women who have…
我觉得有很多女性
been through something with him.
都和他发生过关系
But they find it hard to talk.
但是她们又觉得难以启齿
And those who do talk to me don't want to go on the record.
那些跟我聊这事的人 都不愿意公开
In your previous stories,
你之前也跟踪报道过
how did you persuade women to tell you what had happened to them?
你是怎么说服她们开口的
Yeah, so…
就是
It's difficult.
很难
They're terrified.
她们自己也是吓坏了
A case I made was,
我当时举的一个例子是
"You know, I can't change what happened to you in the past,
我们无法改变过去发生在你身上的事
but together, we may be able to use your experience
但我们可以一起借用你的经验
to help protect other people."
去帮助 去保护其他人
The truth, basically.
基本上是事实了
But yeah.
但是
It's hard to ask women to talk.
很难让她们打开心扉
Then he asked me to meet him, uh, really early.
然后他让早早的就去见他
And I had been up all night filming, and I was tired.
我整晚都在拍摄 累到不行
I went over to The Peninsula hotel, and at reception, I asked,
我去了半岛酒店的接待处
"Is Mr. Weinstein in The Belvedere restaurant or is he on the patio?"
问前台说「韦恩斯坦先生在丽城餐厅吗？还是在露台上？」
And they said, "Go to his room."
然后得到的答复是「去他房间里就行了」
And I went upstairs, and Harvey was in his bathrobe.
我上了楼 他穿着浴袍
And he asked if he could give me a massage.
然后问我能不能给他按摩按摩
"No," I said.
我说「不能」
And then, um, he asked me to help him pick out his clothes for the day.
然后 他让我帮他挑今天要穿的衣服
He, you know, started asking for all these things,
紧接着 他的一个个要求
increasingly more sexual, getting closer and closer.
越来越露骨 越来越亲密
And I just said no so many different times,
我拒绝了很多次
and in so many different ways.
以很多种方式表达了自己的不悦
And then he finally, um, asked me to watch him take a shower.
最后 他让我看他洗澡
And I said, "Harvey,
然后我说 "哈维
when I win an Academy Award in a Miramax movie,
如果我的片子在电影节上获得奥斯卡金像奖
I will give you a blow job."
那我就帮你口"
And I got out of there fast.
说完我就很快离开了那
What did you do?
那后来呢
I told my dad, I told my agent,
我告诉了我的父亲 我的经纪人
I told the people with whom I was filming that night,
我告诉了那天晚上和我一起拍戏的人
and Harvey punished me.
哈维对我的所作所为
I mean, he blackballed my career
我的意思是 他断了我的职业生涯
because I had the wherewithal to refuse him.
因为我有足够的底气拒绝他
How do you know that?
你是怎么知道这一切的？
I would be standing with other actresses, and he would blank me.
我和其他女演员站在一起的时候 他正眼都不瞧我一下
There were roles for which I was up that I mysteriously did not get,
我在极力争取 有些角色 但莫名其妙就被卡
and I know today that it was Harvey making a phone call.
后开才知道 是哈维从中作梗
You know, I did an article about it, and nobody did anything.
我写了相关文章 但没有一个人站出来发声
You didn't identify him, but did industry people know
你没有在文章中指明他的身份
who you were talking about in your article?
但业内人士知道你在文章中说的是谁 对吗
Absolutely.
当然知道了
And the abuse came raining down on me, not on him.
谩骂声如大雨倾倒在我身上 他却安然无事
You know at the Women's March when I did the "Nasty Woman" poem?
你知道我在妇女游行是写的那首“下流女人”的诗吗？
I lost a huge advertising gig
因为一小群人抱怨我在引用总统的话
because a small group of people complained that I was quoting the president.
导致我丢了一个大代言
He used that language and got elected.
话从他嘴里说出来 成了助他登顶总统大选的筹码
I quoted him, and I got fired.
我说出来的后果就是 被炒鱿鱼
It is decades later, and it's still the same sexism.
几十年过去了 同样的性别歧视丝毫未变
And, Jodi, I would make the same choices all over again,
乔迪 若回到当时 我的选择依旧如此
but I also would like to work.
但我也需要工作
Lisa Bloom, the lawyer, she wrote to me.
丽莎·布鲁姆 就是那位律师 她回应我了
-Gloria Allred's daughter? -Yeah.
-格洛里亚·阿尔里德的女儿吗 -对
-Do you know her? -No, but I assume she wants to help.
-你认识她吗? -不认识 但我猜她应该是想帮帮忙
I forwarded the email to Emily.
我把邮件转发给了艾米丽
Jodi? Lisa Bloom.
乔迪？这是丽莎·布鲁姆发来的邮件
"Big announcement,
"重大消息
my book Suspicion Nation is being produced by Harvey Weinstein and Jay-Z."
我的书 《怀疑国度》由哈维·韦恩斯坦和Jay-Z共同制作"
Weinstein is producing her book?
韦恩斯坦是她这本书的制作人？
Lisa Bloom, daughter of feminist icon, is working with Harvey Weinstein.
女权主义偶像的女儿丽莎·布鲁姆正与哈维·韦恩斯坦展开合作
But why would she do that?
但她为什么要这么做？
How much do you get paid for a miniseries?
你去拍一部迷你剧能赚多少钱?
He's got to be behind Lisa reaching out to you.
丽莎联系你 估计也是他在幕后操纵
So Weinstein knows what we're doing.
所以我们做的事 韦恩斯坦都知道
Sorry.
抱歉
Do you wanna keep going with Trump?
你是想继续跟特朗普这条线
Or you could join Jodi and look into Harvey Weinstein?
还是想跟乔迪一起 调查哈维·韦恩斯坦
I worry about whether it makes a difference.
我不明白这两件事有什么区别
These women spoke out against Trump, and he still became president.
这些女性公开反对特朗普 他仍然能成为总统
But in the wake of O'Reilly, there's possibility.
但奥莱利事件一旦水落石出 事态会发生变化的
Sorry.
不好意思
Craig. I've been trying to reach you.
克雷格 我一直想联系你来着
You've gotta show up.
你必须得露面
How's your daughter?
你女儿怎么样
She's great.
她很乖
Oh, s-- Um…
呃…
Sorry. I, um--
抱歉 我--
Thank you for the gift you--
谢谢你的礼物
Um…
呃…
Is anything bothering you?
还有什么困扰吗
Besides no sleep and diapers everywhere.
除了不好好睡觉 家里到处都是尿布
Are you okay?
你还好吧
I've found it quite…
我觉得很…
difficult.
难
I'm sorry.
抱歉
Will working help?
工作能帮你缓解吗
Yeah. Yeah.
嗯 嗯
Absolutely. It's better now.
说真的 现在好多了
- Megan. -Hey.
-梅根 -嗨
Are they all famous?
她们都很有名吗？
Most of them, yes.
绝大多数都很有名
I guess my question is just, like, is this the best use of our time?
我想我的问题是 我们花费这么大精力 能得到最好的结果吗
Like, as opposed to other people we could potentially be covering.
比如说 还有多少受害女性是我们没有联系到的
People who can't speak out. Actresses already have a voice.
那些无法发声的人 女演员们已经有了发言权
But they could also fear being punished by the film industry for using it.
她们也可能担心 自己要是站出来 会被电影圈封杀
Sure…
对…
but what is it exactly that we're looking at here?
但我们现在调查的到底是什么？
We're looking at extreme sexual harassment in the workplace.
我们正在调查 发生在工作场所的极端性骚扰事件
These young women walked into what they all had reason to believe
这些年轻女性满怀信任地走进了
were "business meetings" with a producer, an employer.
所谓 与制片人或雇主的“商务会议”
They were hopeful.
她们曾抱有希望
They were expecting a serious conversation about their work or a possible project.
也曾期待 围绕她们的工作或可能跟进的项目展开的一场严肃对话
Instead, they say he met them with threats and sexual demands.
相反 摆在她们面前的 却是以威胁和性要求来满足「他」的一己私欲
They claim assault and rape.
她们发声 说自己被侵犯 被强奸
If that can happen to Hollywood actresses, who else is it happening to?
如果这种事都能发生在好莱坞女演员身上 那其他女性呢
Do you think his employees were targeted too?
你觉得他的员工也被盯上了吗？
I do.
没错
I could search for any police complaints against Miramax?
我可以查查警方对米拉麦克斯公司的投诉事宜吗?
Or court records?
或是法庭记录？
Should I?
我是不是应该这么做
Yes.
对
I found records of a complaint against Miramax from 2001,
我找到了2001年针对米拉麦克斯的投诉记录
but the report was closed out the same day it was made.
但报告在发布当天就被撤销了
It says, "complainant elected court action,"
上面写着"原告选择了法庭诉讼"
but then no court documents exist, which seems inconsistent.
但是法庭记录相关文件都不存在 这似乎和事实有点出入
Do you have any more information on that?
你能不能提供更多信息？
No. Those records would have been destroyed.
没办法了 那些记录早就被销毁了
Really? Why?
真的吗 为什么
It's agency policy.
基于机构政策
All records are destroyed after three years.
三年后 所有记录都会被销毁
Why is that?
什么原因
As I said, it's policy.
就像我说的 这是政策
So could you please tell me who filed the sexual harassment complaint?
你能告诉我 是谁提出的性骚扰投诉吗？
No, I cannot.
我不能
-Because? -It's policy.
-原因呢 -政策要求
We are prohibited from giving you that name.
给你透露姓名 就违背政策了
Is that everything?
还有什么事吗
This is very important.
这个真的很重要
It's about someone who's still very powerful in the workplace.
我们要面对的是 一个在工作场所中权势依旧很盛的人
Who could still be harassing someone.
骚扰事件可能仍在上演
Is there any way you can help me?
你有什么办法能帮我吗?
You could ask me the name of the government investigator
你可以问我
who was assigned the case.
负责这个案子的政府调查员的名字
I could give you that information.
我可以给你提供这个信息
-Just a name. -Thank you.
-只能说名字 -谢谢
I've made 20 calls to track this investigator.
我打了20个电话 去追踪这个调查员
What did Lisa Bloom say?
丽莎·布鲁姆说什么了?
She just talked as though he was kind of naughty.
她只是说他有点粗俗
She was talking to me kind of Jew-to-Jew
她和我说话有点像犹太人和犹太人之间的对话
and including Weinstein in the gang.
还把韦恩斯坦也算进来了
Oh!
噢
I had a long conversation with Lena Dunham and Jenni Konner.
我和莉娜·丹恩还有珍妮佛·康纳聊了很久
They wanna help, and they have so many numbers.
她们想帮忙 而且她们有很多号码
Amazing.
真没想到
Did you know them before?
你以前认识她们吗？
I don't know anyone.
完全不认识
-In April, when I started…
四月那会 当我开始
…I was literally leaving--
我正打算离开
It's the investigator.
那位调查员给我回电了
Hi, this is Megan Twohey. Thank you for getting back to me.
嗨 我是梅根·吐赫 谢谢你给我回电话
Sure. How can I help?
我能帮你什么忙
Do you remember the case?
你还记得那起案子吗？
There are hundreds of sexual harassment cases at that agency.
那家机构有数百起性骚扰案件
This one was brought to you, and then it was closed very quickly.
这起案件到了你这 很快就被压下去了
That's not unusual.
这很正常
It was filed against Miramax?
起诉米拉麦克斯公司？
What's Miramax?
米拉麦克斯公司？
Harvey, I've read the thorough reports,
哈维 我读过详细的报告了
and Rose comes across as a disturbed, pathological liar.
罗丝给人的印象 是一个精神错乱的病态骗子
Clearly she must be stopped in her ridiculous, defamatory attacks on you.
无疑 她必须停止对你的荒谬诽谤与攻击
She is dangerous. You are right to be concerned.
她很危险 你确实被她盯上了
I feel equipped to help you against the Roses of the world,
我觉得我有能力帮助你们对抗罗丝一伙人
because I have represented so many of them.
因为我代理过太多这样的事了
I'd like to meet with you to go over this in some detail.
我想和你见个面 详细谈谈这件事
You should be the hero of this story, not the villain.
你应该是这个故事的英雄 而不是反派
Best. Lisa Bloom.
祝好 丽莎·布鲁姆
I'm trying to get ahold of this assistant who worked at Miramax in her early 20s.
我想联系一下这位20岁出头 在米拉麦克斯工作的助理
One day, she just disappeared.
有一天 她消失了
All she left were her running shoes under the table.
只是在桌子下面 留下了她的跑鞋
I haven't been able to find her yet, but her mother lives in Queens.
我还没找到她 但她妈妈住在皇后区
I thought I'd just show up.
我觉得是时候出面了
-Hi. -Hello.
-嗨 -你好
Hi. I was expecting your mother.
你好 我一直想跟你母亲见见面
Oh, I'll go get her. Who should I say--
我去告诉她 你怎么称呼
No, it's-- it's actually--
不是 其实
You're the one I wanted to see.
我想见的人是你
Excuse me?
什么意思
My name is Megan Twohey.
我是梅根·吐赫
I am an investigative reporter for The New York Times.
《纽约时报》的调查记者
Would it be okay if--
我能不能
Go back upstairs. Go see Abuelita.
回楼上去吧 去找奶奶
Could we talk for a minute…
我们能聊一下吗
about your time at Miramax?
关于你在米拉麦克斯公司
I can't believe you found me.
真不敢相信你能找到这来
I've been waiting for this for 25 years.
我等这一刻等了25年了
I would love the chance to ask you a couple questions.
我很想有机会 能问你几个问题
What do you know?
你想知道什么
That you were at the beginning of your career and doing well.
当初 你的职业生涯刚刚起步 一切都很顺利
And that something happened.
突然发生了某些事
And then you disappeared.
然后你就消失在大家的视线里了
And that your father threatened legal action.
你父亲威胁着 说要诉诸法律
All I can tell you is that…
我能告诉你的是
I had a business dispute with Miramax.
我和公司之间 发生了商业纠纷
It was resolved.
最后纠纷也解决了
Amicably.
双方都满意
And we've agreed not to discuss it.
我们说好了不再提起这件事
I'm…
我
so glad to meet you anyway.
不管怎么说 能见到你真的太好了
So…
那…
it was "resolved"?
「解决」了是吗
Yeah. It was.
对
There are women who have had settlements,
有些女性曾与之有过和解
and they're bound to silence,
她们必然会保持沉默
but we have written around them.
但我们已经写过相关报道
There are ways to report around that restriction.
有办法可以绕过这一限制
The source can remain anonymous.
消息来源可以保持匿名
I should go back in.
我得进去了
Look, I'm--
我--
Sorry. I've thrown a curveball into your trip to see your mother,
抱歉 我通过你母亲的住址 绕了个弯见到了你
and I don't wanna keep you from your family,
我不想让你和家人分开
but would it be okay if I gave you my number?
但我能把自己的电话号码给你吗？
She was terrified, Jodi, but she wants to talk. She really does.
乔迪 她真的很害怕 但她又想说出实情 她真的很想
Really? That's incredible.
真的吗 简直难以置信
Listen, Gwyneth Paltrow called,
格温妮丝·帕特罗打来电话说
and she told me about an incident at The Peninsula hotel.
曾在半岛酒店发生的一件事
The Peninsula? What the fuck?
半岛酒店？他妈的 到底发生什么事了？
Exactly. Where Ashley went to meet him.
没错 就是艾希礼去见他的地方
-Shit. What happened?
靠 怎么了
Fuck. It's her. I have to go.
来电话了 我先接
Hi.
嗨
Megan, we just spoke.
梅根 我们刚见过面
I'm sorry, but it's a no.
我很抱歉 但真的没法说
But good luck. Honestly.
说真的 我希望你能一切顺利
So if you sign it, you don't tell anyone about anything?
如果你签了 就要对任何人保持缄默对吗
Yeah. It could've been bullying,
对 这可能是一种欺凌
or sometimes it's just a big shop,
有时候 站到你对面的是一家大商场
and they don't want you to tell their trade secrets.
他们不想让你泄露商业机密
Did you sign one?
那你签过这样的协议吗
No.
没有
So, shops have secrets, but newspapers don't?
所以说 商场有秘密 报纸没有 对吗
I think pretty much everyone and everything has a secret.
我觉得呢 几乎每个人都有秘密
What's yours?
那你的秘密是什么？
I will tell you one day. Do you have one?
总有一天我会告诉你的 你有秘密吗？
Of course.
当然有啊
'Course I have a secret.
我当然有秘密了
-Hello? - John Schmidt?
-喂 -是乔恩·施密特吗？
My name is Megan Twohey. I'm a reporter from The New York Times.
我叫梅根·吐赫 是《纽约时报》的记者
Would it be possible to speak for a moment?
能占用你一点时间吗
Come in.
请进
I can't see what you want from me.
我不知道你想从我身上得到什么信息
You were the chief financial officer at Miramax.
你曾是米拉麦克斯公司的首席财务官
The women who received these settlements, they can't speak out.
那些拿到和解金的女人 她们被封住了嘴
They'll be sued if they do.
一旦公开 她们就会被起诉
But if someone could speak freely about the payouts,
但如果有人能对此事畅所欲言
that would be hugely helpful.
那将会推动事件发展到另一个阶段
What payouts, John?
约翰 和解金是怎么回事
I'm not asking you to go on the record.
我不是要你公开发表什么言论
Just to have your perspective on what might've happened back then.
只是想听听你对当时可能发生的事情的看法
I need to think about it.
我得好好想想
Okay?
行吗？
Okay.
行
Sorry just to show up.
突然来访 抱歉惊扰到两位
-Good night.
晚安
Good night.
晚安
Hi, hi. Can you hear me?
嗨嗨 能听到我说话吗
Yes.
能听到
Uh, I really appreciate you talking to me on a Saturday.
真的很感谢你能在周六抽时间跟我聊聊
I hope the links were useful.
我希望这些链接能帮到你
They were, but I find it very strange
会的 但我觉得很奇怪
that if I wanna access certain information, I can't.
如果我想获取某些信息 我就不能
The EEOC is all about information. What could you not find?
平等就业机会委员会就是为大家提供信息的 你没有找到什么吗？
Well, for instance, which companies have had the most sexual harassment complaints,
比如说 哪些公司的性骚扰投诉最多
but no one was permitted to tell me that.
但是大家都被禁止提及此事
Yes, that would be confidential information.
也不奇怪 那都是机密信息
But do you think that's right?
但你觉得这样做对吗？
Shouldn't the Equal Employment Opportunities Commission
平等就业机会委员会
be a resource for information?
不应该成为信息的来源吗？
Our policies are reviewed annually.
我们的政策 每年都会进行审查
So do you know internally which companies have the most complaints?
那你知道哪些公司的内部投诉最多吗？
Yes. We do, but we're not allowed to disclose that information.
我们知道 但不允许对外披露这些信息
So any woman applying for a job
所以 任何一位申请工作的女性
is not allowed to check the record of that employer in terms of harassment?
都不被允许查看相关雇主在骚扰方面的记录?
That's right. You should probably talk to someone higher up.
没错 你应该找高层谈谈这事
I'm-- I'm going to.
我 我正打算去
I will, but don't you think that's strange?
人我是要找的 但你不觉得很奇怪吗?
That the commission is there to protect people,
委员会的初衷是为了保护人们
but its policy prohibits sharing the information needed to protect them?
但其政策禁止分享保护他们所需的信息？
Megan, I'm not the head of the EEOC. I was just trying to help.
梅根 我不是EEOC的负责人 我只是想帮忙而已
And you have. And it's the weekend. I really thank you.
确实对我有帮助 而且今天还是周末 真的很感谢
-Okay. -Okay.
-好 -那好
-Goodbye. -Oh, my gosh.
-再见 -我的天
Amazing.
绝了
Incredible.
真让人难以置信
Mira or the Equal Employment Opportunities Commission?
米拉麦克斯公司还是平等就业机会委员会？
Both.
都是
-Hi. -Hi.
-嗨 -嗨
-We're like reporting twins. -Yeah.
-咱俩就跟双胞胎记者一样 -是啊
Should I go up and change?
要不要我上楼换套衣服？
No, let's go.
不用了 我们走吧
-You look nice. -You look amazing.
-你这身真好看 -好好看啊
- Hi. -Hi.
-嗨 -嗨
-How was your ride? -Yeah. It was great.
-旅途如何? -很棒
It was good.
太好了
I'm Helen. I'm Gwyneth's assistant.
我是海伦 是格温妮丝的助手
Gwyneth will be right with you.
格温妮丝一会就到
Thank you.
谢谢
So it's a total pattern. A pattern of behavior.
所以这是一个完整的套路 所谓行为模式
Gwyneth was invited to the hotel room, the business meeting,
格温妮丝被邀请到酒店房间 说是开商务会议
and then threatened with losing her job if she refused him.
然后威胁说如果她拒绝他 饭碗就不保了
She told her agent. No one does a thing.
她告诉了经纪人 后来也就不了了之
Will Gwyneth go on the record?
格温妮丝会出庭吗?
She really wants to.
她真的很想出庭
I think she does and she doesn't.
我觉得她又想又不想
She is scared that it could turn into some kind of tabloidy sex scandal.
她担心这件事会演变成某些小报性丑闻
I mean, Gwyneth was 23. So was Rose. They were so young.
我是说 格温妮丝当年23岁 罗丝也是 她们太年轻了
Tell me everything when you get in.
回来后 再跟我细聊这件事
Okay. Bye.
好 拜拜
The only way these women are gonna go on the record…
唯一能让这些女性出庭作证的方法…
Is if they all jump together.
就是她们一起站出来
Yeah.
对
You take the lead on this.
你敲门吧
No, you do it. You're less intimidating.
算了还是你来 你胆子大些
You don't find me intimidating?
你没发现我都开始抖了吗
-I mean-- No, it's just the height thing.
我是说 只是身高的问题
-Hi. -Hi.
-嗨 -嗨
We were just in the neighborhood.
我们就住附近
We're from The New York Times.
我俩是《纽约时报》的记者
I believe you used to work for Harvey Weinstein?
你曾经为哈维·韦恩斯坦工作过 对吗？
-Think she'll go on the record? -
你觉得她会站出来发声吗？
Okay. I'm just gonna…
我只是
You wanna leave the note? Yeah.
你想留个便条吗 -嗯
The NDAs are never examined or questioned.
保密协议从未被审查或质疑过
They rarely come up in open court. Law schools don't teach them.
他们很少公开露面出现在法庭上 法学院不教这些
Also, the attorneys who represent the victims
此外 受害者的代理律师
can get up to 40% of the settlement.
最多可获得和解金额的40%
That's a big incentive to keep that system going.
这是保持该系统运行的一大动力
Most sexual harassment cases are settled out of court.
大多数性骚扰案件都是庭外和解
And most of them have a confidentiality clause.
而且大多数都签署了保密条款
And the women who sign these contracts have to give over all of their evidence.
签署这些的女性必须交出所有证据
Their diaries, emails, phones.
她们的日记 邮件以及电话
It's cash for silence, and it enables the perpetrators to continue.
这是封口费 使得犯罪者得以继续作恶
And these clauses are standard practice.
保密协议什么的 已成不成文的规矩了
The women wanna close the case. They need the money.
女性们想结案 他们需要钱
They don't wanna be branded as liars or flirts.
他们不想被贴上骗子或调情老手的标签
I mean, I'm sure it often seems like the only recourse.
我的意思是 这似乎是唯一的办法了
And I imagine some women see these settlements as a confession of guilt.
我想有些女性会把这些和解看作是认罪
They think they've scored a victory when it's actually a gag order.
她们以为自己赢了 但实际上只是一个封口令罢了
And if you try and take a case like this to court,
如果你想把这样的案子搬上法庭
the sexual harassment laws are so weak.
性骚扰的相关法律 薄如蝉翼
They're actually nonexistent if you're a freelancer
如果你是自由职业者
or if there are fewer than 15 employees in the workplace.
或者工作场所的员工少于15人 那就更无从说起了
Also, most lawyers prefer settlements
此外 大多数律师更喜欢和解
'cause it's less of a financial risk for them.
因为对他们来说 和解需承担的财务风险较小
How close are any of these actresses to going on the record?
这些女演员 距离登上公开发表还有多远的路要走？
We're introducing the idea.
我们正打算切入这个话题
I'm afraid we have these horrific hotel room accounts
让人胆寒的是 我们能拿到那些不堪入目的酒店房间账目
and no corroborating evidence.
但不能拿到确凿的证据
We feel they'll speak out if they're not the only ones.
受害者不是一个两个 所以我觉得她们会站出来的
Safety in numbers.
受害者群体 不会视若无睹
And settlements?
目前有几位？
Three. So far.
至今为止 三位
There is Rose McGowan.
罗丝·麦高恩
We're pretty sure about Ambra Battilana.
能确定的还有安布拉·古铁雷斯
And I would say the same for the ex-assistant in Queens.
住在皇后区的他的前助理也是
And no documents?
没有记录吗？
We do not have a publishable story.
我们这边没有可发表的故事
Hey.
嘿
So, look, team.
组员们
You have to imagine that every call you make is being recorded.
你得想象你打的每个电话都被录了下来
And you're being followed.
你现在正被人追踪
Don't let Weinstein talk to you, unless it's on the record.
不要跟韦恩斯坦直接对话 除非是公开形式
I'd be interested in talking to him even off the record.
即使是私下里 我也很想和他谈谈
No, if Harvey has something to say, he needs to say it publicly.
不行 如果哈维有什么要说的 必须得站到明面
I've dealt with him before.
我以前和他打过交道
It's ugly.
那人心术不正
We're looking into the incident with Ambra Battilana Gutierrez.
我们在调查安布拉·巴蒂拉娜·古铁雷斯的事件
She accused Weinstein of groping her.
她指控韦恩斯坦猥亵她
The NYPD gave her a wire, and she met him again.
纽约警局给了她一个窃听器 她又去见了韦恩斯坦
But the DA wouldn't prosecute.
但是地方检察机构没有起诉
They claimed the recording wasn't enough to arrest him.
他们声称仅有录音 不足以将他逮捕
Linda Fairstein worked in the DA's office. I've texted her.
琳达·费尔斯坦在地方检察官办公室工作 我给她发了短信
Linda, Megan Twohey here. How are you?
琳达 我是梅根·吐赫 你最近怎么样
I'm good, Megan. How can I help?
我挺好的 我要怎么做才能帮到你？
Yeah, I'm looking into a police complaint against Harvey Weinstein
我在调查一份警方对哈维·韦恩斯坦的指控
that wasn't charged. Two years ago.
是两年前的事了 最终也没被起诉
When you were at the DA's office.
那会你还就职于地检办公室吧
Ambra Battilana Gutierrez.
安布尔·巴蒂拉娜·古铁雷斯
Oh. Okay.
嗯
It seemed to go away very quickly.
这事很快就烟消云散了
There was no criminal conduct there.
不存在犯罪行为
The cops seemed pretty confident there was.
警方似乎很确信 这起事件存在犯罪行为
Do you think there was anything irregular about how it was handled?
你觉得处理的方式有什么反常之处吗？
-I don't. Why would you say that?
-没有反常之处 -为什么这么说？
Gwyneth.
格温妮丝
He's here. I invited a few people over, and he turned up.
他在这 我邀请了一些人过来 他就来了
I haven't seen him for years. He must know I spoke to you.
我好几年没见过他了 他一定知道我跟你聊过
Why are you so certain there was no criminal conduct?
你为什么这么笃定 不存在犯罪行为？
Wasn't there a recording?
没有录音吗
I don't think there's a road to go down.
我觉得没有路可走
No.
就是这样
Do you feel like you're in physical danger at all?
你是觉得自己现在身处险境吗？
I'll keep people around me till he goes.
在他走之前 我会留一些人在我身边
It's a shock. I know he's watching me.
我知道他在盯着我呢 挺让我震惊的
He's letting me know.
他现在这么做就是让我知道
He can't do anything.
他没办法一手遮天的
Gwyneth. I'm here. Call me if you need me.
格温妮斯 我在的 有事给我打电话
Okay. Bye.
好 再见
Linda, do you know Harvey?
琳达 你认识哈维吗?
I've met him socially,
碰过几次面
but we've never been to each other's homes.
但我们从来没去过对方家
-Okay. I'm sure we'll speak soon. -Yes.
-那好 我确信不久后还有机会再聊 -好
Goodbye.
再见
We got a good lead to talk to a past executive at Miramax.
我们找到了一条很棒的线索 可以和米拉麦克斯的前高管谈谈
-Great. When will that be? -Hola.
-那太好了 什么时候 -你好
Jodi's talking to her tomorrow.
乔迪明天就去找人
I don't think she heard you. She definitely didn't hear you.
我想她没听见 她肯定没听见
-Oh, my God. -What?
-我的天 -怎么了
Ronan Farrow is working on an HW piece for The New Yorker.
罗南·法罗在《纽约客》发表了一篇文章
What? Since when?
什么内容 什么时候的事
-She doesn't say… -Fuck.
-她没有说 -靠
…but apparently he's spoken to a lot of actresses already.
但显然他已经和很多女演员聊过了
Okay, ladies.
好吧 女士们
These are the menus.
菜单在这
-Thank you. -Thank you.
-谢谢 -谢谢
It's pressure we can do without, but we just keep going.
我们可以摆脱这份压力 但我们得继续往前走
And we continue to be thorough.
得继续彻底调查
Pardon me. Excuse me. Hello.
打扰一下 各位好
Hi. Hello, everyone.
你们好
Did you see my friend over there? He said hi.
看到那边那位朋友了吗 他跟你们打了招呼的
Could you leave us? We're talking.
不好意思 我们在谈事
I absolutely will. I totally understand,
我完全理解
but I was thinking maybe I could have a moment--
但我在想也许 能不能占用你一点时间
We're having a conversation. So if you could just--
我们在谈事 所以如果你能
-You should be doing something else. - Fuck you.
-匀点时间出来 -去你妈的
-Fuck you? I would bend you over-- -Fuck you!
-去你妈的？我会让你心甘情愿 -去你妈的
Fuck you! Get the fuck out of here!
滚你妈的 滚出我视线
Fuck you, man. Get the fuck out!
你个死男人 滚你妈的
-Frigid bitches. -Frigid bitches.
-性冷淡的婊子 -性冷淡的婊子
That guy's an asshole.
那人就是一酒鬼
-Sorry. -Don't apologize.
-抱歉 -没必要道歉
There was an incident in Venice at the Film Festival.
威尼斯电影节上发生了一件事
It was '98.
98年的事了
What happened?
发生了什么？
What makes me most angry is the silence.
最让我生气的是 那一张张紧紧闭着的嘴
No one spoke out then, and no one is talking about it now.
当时没人说出来 现在也没人谈论这事
He built the silence, and people complied.
他营造了一种沉默 人们随之顺从
He produced fear and intimidation.
令人恐惧的氛围和一次次恐吓 都拜他所赐
The only alternative, seemingly, was to quit
看来唯一的选择就是辞职
and throw away everything you worked so hard for out the door.
丢掉你辛苦工作得来的一切
You were terrified you were gonna be the next target,
每个人害怕自己会成为下一个目标
so people looked the other way.
所以大家都睁一只眼闭一只眼
Within the company?
公司内部的人?
Yes, and outside of it.
对 公司之外也是如此
I mean, he played the press. He played the agents.
我的意思是说 他玩弄媒体 他扮演特工
How did he play the press?
他是怎么跟媒体周旋的？
By promising them access to stars in exchange for hushing up some incident.
承诺媒体人 可以接触到明星 以换取掩盖一些事情
What sort of incident?
什么事？
Where do I start?
我该从何说起？
Harvey had this-- What did they call it?
哈维曾经 他们把这个叫什么来着？
"A physical altercation" with a male employee at a conference.
在一次会议上与一名男性员工发生了“肢体冲突”
Then they settled with the guy.
然后双方和解
And with women?
那那些女性呢？
He pursued them.
他不依不饶地撵着
Endlessly.
没完没了
What happened in Venice?
威尼斯电影节上发生了什么？
I don't wanna be quoted. Period.
我不希望自己所说的被呈现在大众面前 只能说到这了
Understood.
我理解
We were in Harvey's suite,
我们当时在哈维的套房里
and there were a bunch of people in there.
里面有很多人
And there were these two assistants, and they were sitting there trembling.
其中有两个助手 他们坐在那里发着抖
And Weinstein was there?
韦恩斯坦当时也在场吗？
Yes.
对
He was talking film and ignoring them,
他在谈论着电影 完全无视那两人
but they were literally vibrating.
殊不知那两人一直发着抖
One with fear, the other with anger.
一位满是恐惧 一位尽是愤怒
Can you tell me their names?
能告诉我他们叫什么吗？
Yes.
可以
And there's another woman you should call.
还有一个女人 你应该跟她联系联系
The two assistants are Rowena Chiu and Zelda Perkins,
两位助理是罗威娜·邱和泽尔达·珀金斯
and we have a third name, Laura Madden.
还有一个名字 劳拉·马登
And none of them are returning our calls.
他们都不回电话
So? Show up in person.
所以呢?去找找看吧
Yeah.
好
They live in London, Silicon Valley and Wales.
三个人 三个地 伦敦 硅谷和威尔士
Can you get on a plane?
坐飞机去吧
Let me work it out with Ron.
我跟罗丝一起吧
But yeah, of course.
但是 当然了
Documents, verification. You know what we need.
文档 查证 你知道我们需要什么
Hi.
嗨
Sorry to bother you. I can see you're busy.
很抱歉打扰你 看得出来你很忙
I was looking for Rowena Chiu.
我在找一位叫罗威娜·赵的女士
Hi.
嗨
Rowena's not here right now. Can I give her a message?
罗威娜现在不在 有什么事我可以帮你传达
When will she be back?
她什么时候回来
My wife's out of the country for a while.
我妻子要出国待一段时间
I see.
明白了
I did try calling her.
我试着跟她电话联系吧
This a work thing?
是工作上的事吗？
No.
不是
You must be Andrew? Andrew Cheung?
你一定是安德鲁吧?安德鲁 张?
I'm Jodi Kantor. I'm from The New York Times.
我是乔迪·坎特 是《纽约时报》的记者
Okay.
嗯
So, what did you wanna talk to Rowena about?
你想和罗威娜说什么?
We're researching a story about Miramax.
我们在调查米拉麦克斯事件
I flew in from New York.
我从纽约飞过来的
-You came all this way? -Yeah.
-大老远来这？ -嗯
Um, could we talk for a minute?
我们能谈谈吗?
Sure.
当然
So, I've been speaking with people who worked for Harvey Weinstein.
我一直在和哈维·韦恩斯坦的工作人员聊
You're going quite far back with Rowena's time there.
所以你查到 罗威娜之前在那工作过
We're writing about his treatment of women.
他对待女性的种种行径
Right.
嗯
And Rowena fits in how?
那跟罗威娜有什么关系？
Your wife worked at Miramax for some years.
你妻子在米拉麦克斯工作了几年
Yes. Mainly in Hong Kong.
对 那段时间主要在香港
I'd like to hear about her experiences working for Weinstein.
我想了解一下她为韦恩斯坦工作期间 都发生了些什么
I'm confused why you can't discuss it on the phone.
你为什么不能在电话里聊这事 我真的没法理解
I did try. It is always better to actually meet.
我试过 但能面对面聊总是最好的
So…
所以…
And this is off the record.
这是我以私人的名义来拜访
My understanding is that--
我的理解就是
that Weinstein possibly victimized your wife
在你妻子为他工作的那段时间
when Rowena first worked for him.
他可能伤害了你妻子
Rowena's never mentioned anything like that to me.
罗威娜从没跟我提过这种事
What do you mean by "victimized"? Can you be more specific?
你说“伤害”是什么意思?能说得更具体些吗?
I was told that your wife may have received a settlement from Weinstein.
我听说你妻子可能收到了韦恩斯坦方的和解金
Do I look like a guy whose wife got a settlement?
你看我像个对这种事坐视不理的人吗
Could you have confused her with someone else?
你会不会把她和别人搞混了?
I apologize for taking up your time. I'm--
很抱歉占用了你的时间 我
Would you just please give this to Rowena?
你能把这个给罗威娜吗?
If you're talking to these other people, why do you need to talk to Rowena?
如果你已经和那些人谈过了 为什么还要和罗威娜谈?
And if you turn up in my driveway, what kind of victimization?
而且你前面提到的伤害 是什么样的伤害？
It's complex.
这很复杂
I'm asking you to expand on it.
我想请你详细说明一下
I really think it would be best…
我真的觉得最好是...
if you asked Rowena.
你能去问问罗威娜
Have a good day.
祝你今天好心情
I just couldn't lie to him.
在他面前 我就是没法撒谎
And then it turns out he didn't know.
结果就是 他对一切并不知情
What if London is a repeat of this?
如果去了伦敦也是如此呢？
It won't be.
不会的
I spoke with an employment lawyer in the UK
我跟英国的一位就业律师谈过
and he told me that it was irresponsible of me
他告诉我 甚至连询问违反保密协议的事宜
even to ask about breaching NDAs.
都是一种不负责任的行为
No one does it. They would get sued.
没人会这么做 他们会被起诉的
Fuck that guy.
去他妈的
Honestly, Jodi, fuck him. He has no idea.
乔迪 说真的 他知道个屁
I wish I smoked or something.
要是能抽根烟就好了
I'm staring at an actual brick wall
我正盯着一堵砖墙看
and all I can think is, "Fuck."
我满脑子想的都是"操"
That's okay.
没事
Fuck.
操
And documents.
有些要记录的
So, Laura,
劳拉
we are looking at a full mastectomy.
我们正在考虑 对你实施乳房全部切除术
And we should schedule this as soon as possible.
手术得尽快提上日程了
I understand.
我能理解
Hello.
喂
Hi.
嗨
Laura, this is Jodi Kantor from The New York Times.
劳拉 我是《纽约时报》的乔迪·坎特
Um, I hope you've been getting my messages.
希望你收到我的留言了
I'm in California right now, but I'm coming to London tomorrow.
我现在在加利福尼亚 但明天得去伦敦
Hi, Jodi.
乔迪你好
Hi.
嗨
Um…
呃…
I'm so happy to be finally speaking with you.
终于能和你说上话了 我很高兴
I understand that you once worked for Harvey Weinstein
我知道你曾经在米拉麦克斯设立在伦敦的办公室
in the London office of Miramax.
为哈维·韦恩斯坦工作过
Is that right?
对吧？
Laura?
你在听吗？
Laura…
劳拉…
Can I do anything to help?
我能帮上什么忙？
No. I can't talk about this right now.
我现在不方便跟你聊这事
We're tied. You have the same pieces as me.
我们现在在一根绳上了 你和我一样 皆为棋子
Hey.
嘿
Hey, my love. Come here.
宝贝 过来
Hey, now.
现在
It's going to be all right.
一切都会好的
-It's going to be all right. -I'm so sorry, Mum.
-会没事的 -妈妈 对不起
Here we are.
您点的餐
Tea.
茶
Thank you.
谢谢
You know, other people have tried to write this story.
你知道 其他人也试着写过这件事
He kills it every time.
每次都被他压了下来
We're aware of that.
我们知道
And we're not gonna let that happen to us.
我们不会让这种事发生在自己身上
Are you okay, Zelda?
塞尔达 你还好吧？
Yes.
没事
So,
那
you started working at Miramax when you were 21?
你21岁就在米拉麦克斯工作了？
Yes. I was an assistant at the London office.
对 我是伦敦办公室的助理
And how was it?
一切顺利吗
It was great,
一切都很好
but it would shift when Harvey came to town.
直到哈维来之前
In what way?
发生什么事了？
Everyone became on call to Harvey.
每个人对他都是随叫随到
And what would that entail?
这意味着什么呢?
Script meetings, discussions,
为会议、讨论撰写脚本
and more personal stuff.
还有更多的私人事务
Like?
比如说呢？
For instance, I would have to go to his hotel and wake Harvey up.
比如 我得去哈维所在的酒店把他给叫醒
Run a shower for him. Get him out of bed.
给他冲个澡 把他从床上叫起来
He would usually be naked.
他一直是裸露着身体的状态
And he might try to pull me onto him.
有时他也会把我拉到他跟前
-What did you do? -Fend him off.
-你怎么处理的 -逃离他身边
I found humor or aggression worked best.
我发现了 一个幽默的笑话或是攻击性应对 效果最好
Harvey was either excited or furious.
哈维不是兴奋就是愤怒
You never knew which it would be.
你永远不知道他的情绪会翻到哪一页
Did anyone on the team give you advice about him?
团队里有人给过你建议吗 要怎么处理这种情况？
Yes.
有
Once, one girl told me to always wear my puffer jacket,
有一次 一个女孩跟我说 保持羽绒服不离身
and to always sit in an armchair,
时刻记着坐在扶手椅上
never the sofa next to him,
切忌坐在他旁边的沙发上
which helped.
这些都挺管用的
And that's how I knew that it wasn't only happening to me.
自此我就知道 这事不仅仅发生在我一个人身上
What was happening exactly?
到底发生了什么?
Bullying.
恃强欺弱
Emotional abuse.
精神虐待
I was just too young to understand it.
我当时太年轻 没法理解
Harvey wanted people to submit to him.
哈维希望人们服从他
And if they didn't?
如果奋起反抗呢？
Well, then he'd roar. And he'd spit.
他会咆哮 他会朝你吐口水
He could destroy someone in seconds.
他可以在几秒钟内摧毁一个人
Were you scared of him?
你害怕他吗？
Yes. We all were.
怕 我们都怕过他
So, three years into this,
三年后
you were at the Venice Film Festival.
你去参加了威尼斯电影节
I resigned after that.
之后我就辞职了
What happened?
发生什么事了？
I can't tell you all of it.
我不能全部告诉你
What can you tell me?
你能告诉我什么？
♪ Under the moonlight ♪
♪ 在月光之下♪
♪ This serious moonlight ♪
♪这危险的月光 ♪
There was a new assistant.
新来了个助理
She was my age.
跟我相当年纪
She was great. She was very smart.
她很厉害 也很聪明
And she was doing Harvey's evening script meeting alone for the first time,
她第一次参加哈维的晚间剧本会议
and I told her to call me if he got difficult.
我跟她讲 如果遇到难事就给我电话
Was he pursuing her?
他在追求她吗?
No.
不是
Harvey said, "I don't like Jewish or Asian women."
哈维说，“我对犹太或亚洲女人不感兴趣”
-But that night-- -She called you.
-但是那天晚上 -她给你打电话了
No.
没有
The following morning she came to me,
第二天早上
and she was sobbing.
她哭着来找我
I mean, she was hysterical.
整个人歇斯底里的
Rowena, what happened?
罗薇娜 发生什么事了?
-Sit.
先坐吧
-And I held her. -What is it?
-我抱着她 -发生什么事了？
Did she tell you what he did?
她跟你说了吗？
Not exactly.
没有全说
Only that no one must know.
只是不能让任何人知道
But I knew.
但是我知道
I knew that he must've…
我知道他一定…
What?
怎么了
She was so upset.
她很难过
I knew that it had to be the worst possible thing.
我知道 一定是最糟糕的事发生了
I calmed her down, and I went straight to confront Harvey.
我让她冷静下来 然后直接去和哈维对峙
He was in a meeting with Scorsese,
他当时在和斯科塞斯开会
who hated him, so it was a really big deal for Harvey.
而斯科塞斯又看哈维不顺眼 所以这次会议对哈维来说很重要
And I went straight up to him,
我径直走到他面前
and I said very clearly, "You need to come with me right now."
非常清楚地对他说，“你现在就得跟我走”
You went right up to them and confronted him?
你直接走到他们面前去质问他?
Yeah. I was so angry.
对 我当时太生气了
And in front of everyone,
当着那么多人的面
he stood up, and…
他站了起来
he followed me like a lamb.
跟只羔羊似的 随我走了出来
And then I knew, then I knew he did it.
然后我知道 我知道他一定是做了那事
-And then? -He denied it.
-然后呢 -他否认了这一点
He said, "I swear on my wife and kids' lives
他说，“我以我妻子和孩子的生命起誓
that I did not assault that young woman."
我没有侵犯那位年轻女士”
And then I knew that he was lying.
然后我就知道他在撒谎
He always used that line as a get-out-of-jail-free card. Always.
他总是把这句话当作自己的免罪卡 一直如此
Did the assistant report it to the police?
那位助理报警了吗？
No. She told no one.
没有 她没有跟任何人说起这事
We came back to London. We both resigned.
我们回到了伦敦 我们都辞职了
I told my direct superior,
我跟直管领导说了这事
who suggested we get ourselves a good lawyer.
他建议我们找个好律师
I had no idea where to get one.
去哪儿找律师 我脑子一片空白
I found a company close to the office.
我找到了一家离办公室近的律所
And then I thought it would be simple.
然后我以为事情会变简单
Criminal proceedings.
刑事诉讼
But our lawyer said we had no chance
但我们的律师说这事毫无转机可言
and the only thing to do was to agree to a settlement.
唯一要做的就是达成和解
And I said categorically no,
我断然说 不行
that no money should change hands and that we just wanted to stop him.
任何一笔钱都不应该易手 我们只是想制止他的行为
And no UK police were involved?
英国警方没有介入吗？
We had no case.
我们被告知 诉由不充分
We had no evidence and no police report from Venice.
我们没有证据 也没有威尼斯警方的报告
And, you see, with rape, it is impossibly difficult to get a prosecution.
你也知道 强奸案很难被起诉
And the lawyers kept saying damage limitation was the only way to go.
律师们一直说 唯一的办法就是损害限制
So I said, "All right, then. We have our own very real demands."
所以我说“那行吧 我们也有自己非常真实的需求”
Conditions that Harvey would have to meet if we were to sign.
让我们在和解书上签字 哈维必须答应一些条件
And what were those conditions?
什么条件？
We demanded that if Harvey had another settlement within two years,
我们要求 如果哈维在两年内再次达成和解
that it had to be reported to Disney or else he would be fired.
此事必须向迪士尼报告 否则他将会被解雇
Another was that he would go to therapy,
另一个条件是他得去接受治疗一开始须得有我在场
with me present initially, so that he couldn't lie to the therapist.
这样他就不能对治疗师撒谎了
We demanded that HR would put in a system to protect the women and staff.
我们要求人力资源部门建立起一个体系 来保护女性及女性员工
And it felt like if we could achieve all of those,
我觉得如果他能做到以上
then that's what our silence was paying for.
那我们沉默的代价 就有所值
That we were paying for him to stop.
我们付出代价 让他停止恶行
So we signed.
所以我们同意和解了
And they had their own insane conditions for us.
他们对我们提出了几近疯狂的条件
What were they?
什么条件
I tried to commit them to memory. They wouldn't give us our own copy.
我试着把一切刻印在脑海里 他们把所有复刻件都拿走了
What?
什么
I was only given visitation rights to my own settlement.
我只被授予了探视权
That's in--
这真的
That's incredible.
我简直没法相信
But you memorized them?
但你记住了吗？
I asked for letters, too,
我还要了一些
which stated some of the conditions.
说明条件的信件
One said,
上面写着
"We will make best endeavors to not help the police in a criminal or civil case."
“在刑事或民事案件中 我们需将尽最大努力 不为警方提供任何帮助”
We weren't allowed to talk to our family or a doctor.
我们不能跟家人或者医生谈及此事
So finally we signed.
最后我们签了
They gave us some money.
他们给了我们一笔钱
And I felt completely broken.
我觉得自己彻底崩溃了
I interviewed for other jobs afterwards,
后来我去其他公司面试过
but everyone kept saying, "Why did you leave Harvey?"
但是每个人都会问「你为什么要离开哈维工作室」
They all assumed that I'd…
他们都以为我…
been with him, you know?
跟他是一伙的 你知道吗？
It was horrible.
太可怕了
What did you do then?
你当时是怎么做的？
I went to visit a friend in Guatemala,
我去危地马拉拜访了一位朋友
and I stayed for five years.
在那里住了五年
I had no chance of ever working in film again
我再也没机会在电影界工作了
and I couldn't speak freely,
再也不能畅所欲言
so I worked with horses.
我只能围着马匹工作
You've lost a lot.
你失去的太多了
These are the original letters.
这些是原始信件
I had to have their permission
如果我想联系治疗师
if I wanted to contact a therapist
或是想和会计师交谈
or speak to an accountant.
我还必须得到他们的许可
I was "never to speak to any other media, now or hereafter existing, about it."
「无论是现在还是将来 永远不会对任何其他媒体谈及此事」
Jodi,
乔迪
this is bigger than Weinstein.
这比他带给我的伤害还恐怖
This is about the system protecting abusers.
这是保护施虐者的制度
I want you to take these,
我要你拿着这些
and I want you to use them.
然后利用这些
I've got to go now.
我得走了
Is it dark there?
那里天还是黑黑的吗?
It's, like, four o'clock here.
现在才4点
-Did you drink tea? -
喝茶了吗？
A little bit.
喝了一点点
Who are you meeting?
你跟谁见面了啊？
Just a few women.
几位女士
Can you find me a shell? And a cat hat for Violet?
你能给我找个贝壳吗？给维奥莱特买一顶猫帽？
I will work on that.
我努力试试看
Have you been okay without me?
没有我在你身边 你还好吗？
Sure. You're back tomorrow.
当然 明天你就回来了呀
I am.
也对
-Yay! -
耶
So,
所以
what did they do, the women you're meeting?
你跟那些女士都聊什么了啊？
We'll talk about it when you're older.
等你长大了我们再谈这事吧
Are they criminals? Bank robbers?
她们是罪犯吗？银行劫匪？
No.
不是的
Was it rape?
是强奸事件吗？
Talia, I don't think I've ever heard you use that word.
塔里亚 我以前从没听你提过这个词汇
Boys say it all the time. And girls.
男生们总是这么说 有些女孩也是
They shouldn't. That word shouldn't be used casually.
他们不应该这么说 那个词不应该随便这么用
I'm sorry.
对不起
No. You did nothing wrong.
你没做错
Are you angry with me?
你生气了吗？
No, Talia, no.
塔利亚 我没生气
I miss you. I miss you like someone took a piece out of me.
我想你了 你是妈妈身上的一块肉
I lost you, Talia. Talia!
塔利亚 信号怎么不好了 塔利亚
Oh, God.
天呐
They're trying to survive,
他们在努力活下来
and he's there 'cause he's hosting the show.
而他在那里 因为他要主持节目啊
-And he's probably going to help them. -
他可能会施以援手
-He's going to kill them. -Hello?
-他会杀了那些人的 -喂？
-What? No. -May I ask who's calling?
-怎么了 -请问您是哪位?
Probably going to help them if they need to get in.
如果他们想进来 可能会帮上忙
Now, who's Potts?
哪位是波茨?
-I know, but they don't look like-- -Mum.
-我知道 但他们看起来不像 -妈妈
It's another call from America.
又是从美国打来的电话
I told you, sweetie, just tell any journalist, "No."
宝贝 我不是说过了吗 不管哪位记者打来 都说「不知道」
No, she says you worked together.
不是 她说是你的同事
Pamela Lubell?
帕梅拉·卢贝尔？
Hywel wants to take his yellow pillow to Cornwall.
哈维尔想把他的黄色枕头带到康沃尔
-No, we're not taking-- -So?
-不是 不能带那个 -所以呢？
We're not taking any pillows.
带枕头过去没用啊
Why?
为什么？
Pamela?
帕梅拉？
God.
天呐
Hi, Pamela. How are you? It's been decades.
帕梅拉 你好啊 得有几十年没见面了吧
I know, Laura. It's really been a while. How's life?
劳拉 真的好久不见了 你最近怎么样？
It's good.
挺好的
How's everything? How are you?
一切都好吗?你好吗?
Yeah, I'm okay.
我还好
That's great.
那可太好了
Laura, have you had any calls from reporters
劳拉 有没有记者给你打过电话
trying to write stories about Harvey?
说是想问问关于哈维的事？
Uh, I have, actually. Yes.
嗯 打过
I didn't talk to them.
我什么都没说
Good. That's good to hear.
太好了 那就好
Cockroach journalists.
那群记者跟螳螂似的
It was great, wasn't it? Back then?
以前 还真挺不错的
Harvey was always very generous.
哈维总是很慷慨呢
That wasn't my experience.
我不敢苟同
Laura, can I have your assurance that you won't talk to anyone?
劳拉 你能保证不会和任何人谈及此事吗？
What? What did you say?
什么 你说什么？
If you have a project, I can take it to Harvey.
如果你手头有什么项目 我可以帮忙推给哈维
I don't.
没什么项目
And I'll talk to who I please.
我想跟谁说就跟谁说
- Good evening. -Good evening.
-晚安 -晚安
I need to book a flight to Cornwall first thing in the morning.
我明早醒来 第一件事就是订去康沃尔的机票
Flight to Cornwall tomorrow?
明天去康沃尔的航班 是吗?
Yes. To Newquay airport?
是得去纽基机场吗？
-Newquay. -Newquay.
-纽基机场 -纽基机场
You'd normally just get a train.
大家去那 一般都坐火车
Okay, train, then.
好 火车也行
This is a nice place for a vacation.
这地方挺适合度假的
-Yeah. -Mom.
-嗯 -妈妈
Hi.
嗨
Um, Hywel wants to play at the rocks. Is that okay?
哈维尔想玩石头 行吗？
-Yeah, sure. -Okay.
-当然可以了 -嗯
Is that your eldest?
这是你家大女儿吗？
Yes.
嗯
Yes. She's 13.
今年十三岁了
You grew up in Ireland?
你是在爱尔兰长大?
I did, yes.
没错
And your first job was wrangling extras in '92?
你的第一份工作是在92年 当了一名临时演员对吗?
They were shooting near us.
我家附近有一家剧组在拍摄
I loved it.
我很喜欢演戏
And then I heard that Miramax were making a film nearby,
后来我听说米拉麦克斯公司在附近拍电影
and I got a job as a runner on that.
就找到了一份跑龙套的工作
I was ecstatic. It was great.
我当时整个人欣喜若狂
And you met Harvey Weinstein when?
你是什么时候见到哈维·韦恩斯坦的?
Soon after that.
那之后不久吧
I was going to be working directly for him.
我跟他直接对接工作
Doing errands, answering calls.
跑腿 接电话
I was very happy to be asked.
被人安排这些工作 我还挺开心的
He was charming.
他很有魅力
He was saying he'd heard how hard I worked.
他说对我的努力工作有所耳闻
And I was just excited.
我当时更是开心的不得了
I was 21, you know.
我那会二十一岁
Very young, but incredibly keen.
很年轻但很敏锐
So when he said he'd give me a permanent job at the London office,
所以当他说 给我在伦敦办公室安排一份长期工作的时候
I felt so happy.
我很开心
He said that in the meeting?
他在会上这么说的？
Yes.
嗯
He was in his bathrobe when he opened the door,
他开门的时候穿着浴袍
but I thought that was maybe very Hollywood.
我觉得 这大概就是好莱坞风吧
But quite soon into talking,
但没过多久
he said would I give him a massage.
他问我能不能给他按摩按摩
I said, "No."
我说不行
He was very matter-of-fact. He said, "It's not a romantic request."
他一副就事论事的样子 「这又不是什么浪漫的请求」
Everyone does it for him.
其他人也都这样啊
It's part of the job.
这是工作的一部分啊
So, I suddenly thought that I was the problem, you know.
所以 我突然觉得 问题出现在了自己身上
That I was the one who was sexualizing it.
我就是那个 将此事性感化的人
That I was just young and uptight.
我只是太年轻 太保守
So, I--
所以我
I put my hands on his shoulders,
我把手放在他的肩膀上
but I couldn't actually move them at all over his body.
但是根本没法在他的身上揉来揉去
I just stood there. My hands wouldn't move.
就愣在那里 手动也动不了
And then he said he would give me a massage first…
然后他说他会先给我按摩
to relax me.
让我放松
And he said,
他说
"Look, all the girls do it. It's just work."
"你看 所有女孩都照做了 这就只是工作而已"
And then he said, "Take your top off."
然后他说"把上衣脱了"
Very matter-of-fact.
一副就事论事的模样
"Take your bra off."
"把你的胸罩脱掉"
And I did.
我照做了
I was terrified, but I just thought,
我当时非常害怕
"Get through it. Do it."
心里想着"忍忍就好 忍忍就过去了"
And then my trousers were off.
我的裤子也脱了
And he was standing over me…
他就站在我身边…
masturbating.
自慰
I asked him to leave me alone.
我让他离我远点
But he kept asking for different things.
但他一直对我提出各种要求
And then he suggested a shower, and I got up.
他建议我去洗个澡 我就起身了
And he carried on…
他就继续
masturbating.
自慰
And I kept crying.
我就一直哭
And I was sobbing, and the water was pouring down,
随着淋浴头的水喷泻而出的还有我的眼泪
and he was still masturbating.
他还在那里自慰
Then he got angry.
然后他就生气了
I think my crying was so loud, it put him off.
我想是我哭的太大声 扰了他的兴致
And he left the bathroom,
他离开了浴室
and I locked the door.
我把门锁上了
-And I could still hear him…
我还能听到他的声音…
…on the other side.
从另一个方向传来的他的声音
Still the sounds of him masturbating.
他还在自慰
Finally, I went back into the room itself
最后 我回到房间里
and grabbed my clothes and belongings, and I just ran.
拿起我的衣服和东西 就跑了
I ran down the street.
我跑到街上
I've never run that fast in my life.
我这辈子从没跑过这么快过
How do you feel about it now?
你现在感觉怎么样?
I…
我…
I--
我--
I feel like it dictated a certain direction my life took.
我觉得这事决定了我的人生方向
That-- I just felt that it was this huge error of judgment
一个巨大的 错误的判断
that sort of marked me and all my decisions.
给我和我所有的决定都打上了烙印
And--
还有
I felt such shame…
我时常感到羞愧
that… I let him do that.
就任由他摆布
Did you think that he had done the same to other girls?
你觉得他对其他女孩也做过同样的事吗?
I thought that he must've tried it.
我想一定是这样的
But that they'd all s--
但是她们都
they'd all said, "No."
都矢口否认
It was like he took my voice that day.
就好像我的声音随着那天的风消散的无影无踪
Just when I was about to start finding it.
就在我开始寻求证据的时候
…responsible immigration reform?
负责任的移民改革?
The president certainly welcomes those conversations.
总统听着这些 自会满心欢喜
Yes?
是吧
I have Harvey Weinstein on the phone for you.
哈维·韦恩斯坦打来电话找你
Put him through. Thank you.
接过来 谢谢
Dean, how are you? This is Harvey.
迪恩 最近怎么样 我是哈维
Hi, Harvey. What can I do for you?
你好哈维 找我什么事
If I hadn't made movies, I would've been a journalist.
如果我不拍电影 我就会成为一名记者
Dean, I heard someone was working on a story about me.
迪恩 听说有人在写一篇关于我的报道
Yes. If you'd like to talk to the reporters on the record,
对 如果你愿意接受记者的采访
they'd welcome that.
他们会很开心的
I wanna talk to you, Dean.
我想跟你谈谈
Well, talk to my reporters about your concerns.
跟我们报社的记者们谈谈你的顾虑
I'm sorry. I have work to do.
很抱歉 我有工作要做
Are you gonna hang up?
你这要挂电话吗?
Unless you have anything else to say?
还是说 你有什么要说的？
I love the truth.
我爱真相
People make up stories a lot.
有人编了太多的故事了
Be careful with that.
小心为上
That's fine, Harvey. Goodbye.
没关系 那就再见了
But essentially, Sarah Sanders was saying, "Hey, America."
但本质上 萨拉·桑德斯是在说"嘿 美国"
Perhaps they didn't like it. They didn't put him in the Oval Office.
或许他们不满意 没能让他入驻总统办公室
Pretty in-depth. But the focus was primarily on solutions…
相当深入 但重点主要是解决方案…
-Hi, Chanel. -Hey, Dean.
-夏奈尔 -嗨 迪恩
Hey, Tim.
蒂姆
-Matt, you got a minute? -Yeah.
-马特 你有时间吗 -有
So, what do we have?
我们聊聊看
Well, the biggest thing is the documents
最重要的是乔迪去了伦敦
that Jodi got from Zelda Perkins in London.
从泽尔达·珀金斯那里拿到了记录
Rose is still off the record,
罗丝仍不愿公开
but she has given us permission to write about her settlement.
但她允许我们报道她的和解相关
We're just trying to figure out a way to confirm it.
我们只是想找出一种方法来证实这一点
Harvey offered her a million dollars recently for her silence.
哈维最近给了她100万美元 让她保持沉默
And?
然后呢？
Rose refused, but she doesn't want us to quote her.
罗丝拒绝了 但她不想让我们引用她的话
There are still no on-the-record sources. NDAs are a problem.
还是没有公开的消息来源 保密协议是问题所在
Laura Madden didn't sign one.
劳拉·马登没有签过和解书
She's the only ex-assistant who is technically free to speak.
她是唯一可以自由发言前任前助理
Ashley and Gwyneth didn't sign one either, but they're not ready to go on the record.
艾什莉和格温妮丝也没签 但她们还没准备好公开声明
But Laura Madden has to deal with something very different right now.
但劳拉·马登现在要处理的是另一件事
She has breast cancer. She has to go into surgery.
她得了乳腺癌 必须得接受手术
So, it's not likely.
所以 她站出来的可能性也微乎其微
I'm still leaving messages for Rowena Chiu,
我一直在给罗威娜·赵留言
but there's no engagement.
但没形成任何协议
So, no more proven settlements.
确定能出面声明的人 现在还不多
Ambra Battilana Gutierrez almost certainly settled.
安布拉·巴蒂兰娜·古铁雷斯几乎可以确定
And John Schmidt confirmed that Miramax settled
约翰·施密特也证实了
with the woman I visited in Queens.
米拉麦克斯公司与我在皇后区拜访的那位女士达成了和解
Anything more on the article from The New Yorker?
《纽约客》那篇文章有新进展吗?
No.
还没有
Lanny Davis and David Boies wanna come to talk to us.
兰尼·戴维斯和大卫·博伊斯想和我们谈谈
What do you think?
你怎么想的？
Don't we wanna wait and push for an on-the-record interview with Weinstein?
我们怎么可能不想着 再等等 争取一次对韦恩斯坦的公开采访
It's your call, Binky.
宾基 听你的
I'd like to talk to Lanny, at least. See what he has to say.
起码我想和兰尼谈谈 看看他怎么说
Harvey's not always that rational.
哈维并不总是那么理性
The reason I'm here as his representative is not to try to kill anything.
我作为他的代表来这里 并不想扼杀任何
I wanna know that if you're including something like Rósa McGowan's claim,
如果你也觉得罗丝·麦高恩的主张没什么问题
then we can defend that.
那么我们可以为之辩护
Of course.
当然了
Please.
请
I know you'll be investigating with due diligence.
我知道你会尽职全力开展调查的
Lanny, you'll have every chance to respond.
兰尼 你有充分的机会对此作出回应
-Uh-- -And I trust it's okay to record this?
可以录下来吧?
Oh, of course. Sure.
当然了
I don't expect you to name sources, but if it's possible for you
我不奢望 你能说出消息来源
to let me know overall what your story's about?
但你能不能告诉我 你的报道的大致内容?
We're looking into problematic behavior towards women by Weinstein.
我们正在调查韦恩斯坦对女性所做出的种种行为
Okay.
好
Harvey adamantly denies any allegation of rape or assault.
哈维坚决否认任何强奸或性侵指控
Nothing criminal.
犯罪更是无稽之谈
But he is aware of complaints about his treatment of women,
但他意识到 大家看不惯他对待女性的方式
and he is working on that.
他也正为此作出努力
Powerful men of an older generation
老一辈的权贵们
are changing their understanding of the meaning of the word "consensual."
正在改变他们对“你情我愿”一词含义的理解
Why women don't feel it's consensual even if a man convinces himself it is.
为什么女人不觉得这是你情我愿 而男人就觉得是呢？
Do you wanna expand on that?
你愿意详细说一下吗?
Uh, I believe there's a story to be told about the evolution of men,
一个关于男人进化的故事
and, in particular, Harvey, on this subject.
这个主题 会把哈维推上来
Would he be willing to talk to us about it?
他愿意和我们谈谈吗？
On the record?
以记录的形式？
He has to deal with his wife and children before anything else.
他妻儿那边 也在等着他去安抚
You're adamant Rose McGowan's rape accusation is false.
你坚持认为罗丝·麦高恩的强奸指控不属实
Why is that?
原因是什么？
Did she tell anybody right away? Did she show any signs of distress?
事后她立刻跟别人说了这事吗？她有任何痛苦的迹象吗?
She told her manager and a lawyer.
她告诉了经纪人和律师
Harvey was aware that there was a problem with Rose,
哈维意识到罗丝有问题
but not that she was accusing him of rape.
但没想到 摆在自己面前的是一纸强奸相关诉状
So I draw a bright line on the word "rape."
所以我用亮色笔标注了"强奸"这个词
Anything below that line,
凡是处于此底线之下的事
uh, he was aware of feelings, concerns.
都牵着他的担忧和顾虑
Of what kind?
能展开说说吗
I'm sorry. What--
抱歉
If the concerns were not about rape, what were they about?
如果不是强奸 那是什么?
The only way I can answer is, uh…
我唯一能回答的就是…
a sense of exploitation because of that disparate power relationship.
因为这种截然不同的权力关系而产生的剥削感
There's mental coercion that isn't physical coercion.
这是一种精神胁迫 不是肉体上的胁迫
Lisa Bloom has been working with Harvey to help him recognize the difference.
丽莎·布鲁姆一直在和哈维合作 帮他辨别这两者的区别
-Lisa Bloom? -Yeah.
-丽莎·布鲁姆？ -对
If Harvey had been made aware of McGowan's concerns at the time,
如果哈维当时感知到麦高恩的担忧
how did he respond?
他会如何回应?
I think he had dealings legally with her about them.
二人之间存在合法的交易吧
And how would you characterize those legal dealings?
如何描述这些所谓的法律交易?
I think he became aware that she did not regard what happened as okay with her.
我想哈维意识到了 发生的事让那位女士心生不悦
I'm not talking about rape.
我不是在说强奸
I'm talking about the effect he had on Rose McGowan.
我说的是他对罗丝·麦高恩的影响
And that rather than fighting…
无关对峙...
"Rather than fighting"? Then…
"无关对峙" 然后呢
Then what?
然后什么
I think he has agreed to settlements
我觉得他同意采取和解的方式
rather than litigating what might have been litigated.
而不是走提起诉讼这条路
As Harvey saw it, it was better to settle,
在哈维看来 即使自己没做错什么
even if you haven't done anything wrong.
和解对大家都好
He preferred "to settle"?
他更喜欢"解决"二字
Were there other cases of questionable intimate relations with women
韦恩斯坦与其他女性发生可以亲密关系的案件
in which Weinstein settled?
还有吗？
Let's say for now,
就目前而言 即使在此背景的基础上
even on a background basis,
在法律限制范围内
that I need to find out what my limits are legally.
我所能说的是什么
Even if on background, I'm confirming settlements.
即使在此背景下 我在确认和解相关事宜
But the answer is, yes, there have been.
但答案是 对 曾经有过
How many?
多少起
No.
不便透露
To admit to settlements this early, they're in real trouble.
这么早就承认曾有过和解 他们可真摊上麻烦事了
We need to find out a number. We need to corroborate each one.
我们得找出一个确切的数字 我们需证实每一个证据
-I'm on it.
我这就去
Have you guys had any dealings with Diana Filip?
你们和戴安娜·菲利普打过交道吗？
No.
没有
I said no to speaking at a women's conference.
我拒绝在妇女大会上发言
She just keeps on calling me.
她一直在给我打电话
Did you have her checked out?
你确认过了吗？
The security consultant says she's legit, but who has time for these random people?
安全顾问说她这人没问题 但谁有时间和这些人打交道?
Hello?
喂
I worked at Miramax. Talk to Irwin Reiter. He hates Weinstein.
我在米拉麦克斯工作过 你跟厄文瑞特谈谈 他跟韦恩斯坦结过怨
Hey. Are you okay?
你还好吗
Did I wake you?
我吵醒你了？
Um, yeah. What's up?
怎么了
What do you know about Irwin Reiter?
你了解厄文瑞特吗？
Hang on.
等一下
I put together a file on him.
我整理了一份关于他的档案
I need to write a good fucking email.
我需要写一封他妈的绝赞的邮件
Hi. Thanks for meeting me.
谢谢你答应跟我见面
You wanna get me killed?
你想要我的命？
So, Irwin,
厄文
you've been an accountant for the Weinsteins for 30 years.
你给韦恩斯坦家做了30年的会计
I pick up the check, and I reserve the right to leave after five minutes.
单子我就拿起来了 保留五分钟后离开的权利
So…
那…
…what do you wanna know?
你想知道什么
We have information on several settlements that Weinstein made in the '90s.
我们这边有韦恩斯坦在90年代达成的几项和解协议的信息
Paid to actresses and ex-employees.
款项流向了女演员和前雇员
Could you tell me anything about that?
你能告诉我关于这方面的情况吗?
Could you confirm those settlements,
你能证实这些和解真实存在吗?
and how it was from your perspective?
从你的角度看呢?
My "perspective"?
我的"角度"？
Would it be company money that was used?
用的是公司的钱吗?
You wrote that we're from the same tiny world.
你写道我们来自同一个小小世界
Yeah.
嗯
Summers at bungalows in the Catskills.
夏日里 在卡茨基尔的平房
Meals at Lefty's and Pop-Ins.
听着流行音乐 在雷夫蒂的小屋里用餐
What do you remember about those holidays?
关于那些个假日 你还记得什么？
Gosh, I remember so many things.
天啊 我记得好多事
It's the first time I remember seeing my grandmother's arms bare.
我记得那是我第一次看到祖母光着胳膊
I knew those tattoos meant something seismic.
我就知道那些纹身 意义非凡
Yeah, how did you know?
你怎么知道的？
I just sensed it.
就是直觉
Did your family discuss it?
你家里人讨论过这些吗？
Who else are you talking to?
你还跟谁聊过这些？
I can't disclose that, Irwin.
这个恕我不能告知
You know, my parents-- they couldn't go there.
你知道 我的父母 他们没去过那个地方
They rarely discussed it.
也就很少谈起
It's so mysterious, isn't it?
太神秘了 你说是吧
Why some families talk.
为什么有些家庭会聊这些
Some don't.
有些则不会
The money Weinstein was spending was, you know, crazy.
韦恩斯坦花的钱 堪称疯狂
I tried. I tried many times to get the board to do something about it,
我试过了 我试过很多次让董事会做点什么
but they just kept ignoring his behavior and keeping him on.
但董事会的人一直坐视不理 继续让他留任
Why is that?
什么原因呢？
Have you talked to LOC?
你和LOC谈过了吗?
Or ZP?
或是ZP？
Who is "LOC"?
谁是 "LOC"?
There was this memo.
那边有一份备忘录
Let me ask you something, Jodi, that's really puzzling me.
乔迪 有个问题一直困扰着我 让我来问问你
Why are you asking about the '90s,
你为什么要问90年代发生的事
when Weinstein has committed so many more recent offenses?
韦恩斯坦最近犯下了那么多罪行
I gotta go.
我得走了
-I'll give you a call. -Irwin.
-之后电话联系 -厄文
Mom.
妈妈
I had a nightmare.
我做了一个噩梦
Oh, honey. Come here.
宝贝 快进来
Shh, shh, shh, shh.
嘘嘘嘘嘘
It's okay. It's okay.
没事了 没事了
I heard that Ambra Battilana Gutierrez just got a seven-figure settlement.
我听说安布拉·巴蒂拉娜·古铁雷斯拿到了七位数的和解金
And that Weinstein now owns the audio of the incident?
相关的音频现在到了韦恩斯坦手里？
These settlements, Lanny,
兰尼
what are we talking?
和解协议什么的 我们在说些什么？
I can't tell you that, Megan. You know that.
梅根 你知道的 我不便多说
I'm not talking about naming you, of course.
我可没说要听到确切的人名
It would just be great for background.
哪怕对调查有点帮助也好
To know a number of the other settlements
跟我聊聊那些
that you're aware of.
你所知道的和解事宜
-I'm not a bad guy here. -I know that.
-我在这里面扮演的不是坏人的角色 -我知道
My profession is to get the facts into the hands of reporters…
我的使命是把事实送到记者手中
…but, you know, I can't help.
但是你也知道 我爱莫能助
I keep getting 40 in my head.
我脑子里共有40份协议
Which would be ridiculous, right?
这也太荒谬了 你说是吧
Right?
是吧？
It's not 40.
不是40这个数
Seriously, it's, uh, less than 40.
说真的 不到40
Well, good. That's a relief.
行吧 让我松了一口气
Sure.
那是
So…
所以…
less than half of 40, then?
不到40的一半吗？
-Check. -Oh, and what the fuck, Lanny?
-买单 -兰尼 你他妈怎么回事
We heard that Ronan Farrow is working on a story.
我们听说罗南·法罗正在写一篇报道
No, no. That is done. Over.
不对不对 是已经写好了
I don't see you as a bad guy, Lanny.
我不认为你是坏人
I don't. I never have. I respect you.
我从未有过这种想法 从未 我敬重你
I respect you.
我敬重你
This is all gonna come out, Lanny.
一切都会水落石出的
Publicly.
会被公开
Generally does.
一般不都是这样吗
-Okay. -
那好
What am I laughing about?
我在笑什么?
Oh, Megan.
梅根
Lanny.
兰尼
I'd say eight to 12 settlements.
我想是8到12份左右吧
And do you think that's normal?
你觉得这正常吗?
For men to make so many payoffs?
让男人赚这么多钱?
I do. Yeah.
嗯
It feels like we're so close.
感觉我们越来越接近真相了
Do you think we'll get it?
你觉得我们能成功吗?
What if we don't?
如果不成功 怎么办？
I'm having nightmares about him.
我经常做关于那个男人的噩梦
Oh, my God. I have them too.
天呐 我也是
Yeah?
是吧
I'm terrified we know all this, and we might go to our graves knowing it.
我很害怕我们知道这一切 但最终只能将这些带进坟墓
The story will run.
故事会继续
My worry is people won't care.
我担心的是 大家对这些都满不在乎
And he won't even be slowed down, let alone stopped.
连控制都谈不上 更别说让这种事不再发生了
It's like an ocean of wrongdoing.
就像一片满是不法行为的海洋
I mean, can you imagine how many Harveys there are out there?
你能想象外面有多少哈维吗?
Every day?
每天会上演多少起这样的惨事？
I sometimes wonder…
我有时候很想知道
when I had Mira,
我生米拉的时候
if--
如果说
if all the trauma,
如果所有的创伤
not just in me, but in all of the women I talked to,
不只是在我身上 而是在我交谈过的所有女性身上
if it just--
如果只是
This darkness, this constant violence, if it just sort of imploded?
这种黑暗 这种持续的暴力 会不会突然爆发了?
Maybe that's part of the depression that hits women.
或许 女性罹患抑郁症也有这方面的原因吧
Do you wish you hadn't signed up for this story?
你有没有希望过自己从未参与到这件事当中
Do you?
你呢？
No.
没有
No.
我也没有
The last time we met, you mentioned a memo?
上次我们见面时 你提到了一份备忘录？
It was from an ex-executive.
这是一位前高管写的
And it was extensive, scathing.
波及之广 言辞之厉
She sent it to the board.
她把这个发给了董事会
When was this? How did they react?
这是什么时候的事?董事会的人的反应如何?
It was a short burst of behind-doors mayhem, and then she left.
引起一阵短暂的轰动 然后她就离开了
What did her memo say?
备忘录上都写了些什么？
That the company was a toxic environment.
这家公司被毒气包裹着
Would anyone have a copy?
有人提出要备份吗？
Hey.
嘿
-Sorry it's so late. -Mmm.
-抱歉有点晚了 -呃
You okay?
你还好吗？
Uh, Talia was up late. Violet woke up twice.
塔里亚起晚了 维奥莱特醒了两次
I have an inbox filled with enraged people about this insurance story
我的收件箱里塞满了愤怒的人们关于这个保险故事的报道的回应
which is going to be huge.
这则新闻 一石激起千层浪
There's already hundreds of emails here,
这里已经有几百封邮件了
and there is… …a hurricane heading towards Florida.
还有... 飓风正在向佛罗里达逼近
So, I am going to somehow fly down there
所以我得想办法飞过去
and move my dad someplace else before he is literally blown away.
在我爸被飓风卷走之前 把他接到其他地方
And I have a slight nervous twitch in my eye.
我紧张时 眼睛会轻微抽动
Let me see.
我看看
Can you get the raisin?
你能拿到葡萄干吗?
-Hey! Hey! Holly!
嘿!嘿!霍莉!
-Slow down.
你慢点
Here. Will you hold Crabby for a second?
你能抱一下克拉比吗?
Least they're having fun.
至少他们玩得很开心
Hi. This is Jodi Kantor.
嗨 我是乔迪·坎特
This is Rowena Chiu. I'm in New York.
我是罗威娜 我现在在纽约
Do you still want to meet up?
你现在还想跟我碰个面吗？
I couldn't tell anyone.
我不能告诉任何人
Not my parents. Not even my husband.
不仅是我父母 连我丈夫都不知道这件事
Why not?
为什么不告诉他们？
I grew up in an immigrant household.
我在一个移民家庭里长大
I was taught to keep my head down,
你知道吗 我从小被教导
work hard and not draw attention to myself, you know?
要低调 要努力工作 不要引人注意
In Chinese culture, I felt I had to protect my family at all costs.
在中国文化中 我觉得自己必须得不惜一切代价去保护家人
And I was young, scared.
那会我太年轻了 害怕的发抖
Can you tell me anything about what happened in Venice?
你能告诉我威尼斯电影节上 发生了什么事吗?
This is off the record, yeah?
就是私下聊聊 对吧
I had the evening shifts,
我上夜班
going through notes on screenplays with Harvey.
和哈维一起看剧本笔记
One night, we were working,
一天晚上 我们正在工作
and he kept trying to touch me.
他就一直试图触摸我
I didn't want to make him angry. He's a very big man.
我不想惹他那个大块头生气
I kept trying to get back to the notes.
我一直想把注意力集中在笔记上
And that went on for a few hours, just trying to avoid him.
这样持续了几个小时 我一心想着避开他
How did you do that?
你是怎么做的？
I would just fight him off.
我让他离开
I'd worn two pairs of tights to buy me some time if I ever needed it.
我穿了两条紧身裤 以便在需要之际 给自己争取点时间
But finally,
但是最后
he held me down.
他把我按倒
Not forcefully, but like it was a game.
虽谈不上用力 但就像玩弄一般
Then he parted my legs.
然后他分开我的双腿
And he said…
说着
"Please, just one thrust, and it'll all be over."
"求你了 就插一下 一下就结束了"
I got away.
我躲开了
I was traumatized.
魂不附体了
I was a Christian. I was still with my first boyfriend.
我是个基督徒 那会还和我的初恋男友在一起
And you shared this with Zelda?
你跟泽尔达说了吗?
Zelda was completely enraged and very brave in facing him.
泽尔达完全被激怒了 很勇敢地当面跟他对峙
We both resigned.
我们都辞职了
But I couldn't get a new job after leaving Miramax.
可是 离开米拉麦克斯后 我找不到新的工作了
Everyone kept saying if I worked for Harvey, why would I leave?
所有人都说「既然都到哈维跟前工作了 为什么还要离开啊」
The NDA that we signed,
我们签的保密协议规定
it stipulated that if I ever had trouble getting a job in film again,
如果我在电影行业找不到工作
I was to go back to Harvey or his lawyer, Hutensky, for help.
就可以去找哈维或他的律师哈滕斯基寻求帮助
I asked them for a reference,
我问他们要推荐信
and Hutensky, he kept repeating…
哈滕斯基一直在重复说…
What? What was he saying?
什么 他说了什么？
How much Harvey valued me.
哈维有多么多么看重我
We agreed I would return to Miramax
最终同意了我在严格的条件下
under strict conditions.
回到米拉麦克斯就职
So, I signed for Hong Kong.
我签到了香港工作室
I thought he would be far enough away.
我以为一切都烟消云散了
I thought I'd be okay.
我以为一切都回到正轨了
But it was horrible.
但是更可怕的事发生了
I was a mess.
我当时一团糟
I felt incredibly alone.
我感到无比孤独
I couldn't tell anyone about it,
我不能和任何人谈及此事
and the isolation just ate into me.
成为一座孤岛的感觉 让我无比难受
One day I disappeared from work.
一天 我从公司消失了
I wanted to be dead.
我想去死
I didn't know how to be,
我不知道该怎么办
how to keep going, living with it.
怎么背负着这些继续活在这世上
I tried to kill myself,
我想自杀
but I didn't know how.
但我不知道要怎么办
I felt I failed at even that.
我觉得自己连这一点都做不到
I wanna give you this.
我想把这个给你。
It's a description from an actress you would know and recognize.
这是你所熟悉的女演员的描述
What?
什么
This person won't go on the record. I can't put her in the story.
这个人不愿公开 我不能把她的遭遇写进故事里
I-- I didn't--
我 我没有
I didn't know anything like this.
我不知道这些
I thought it was just extramarital bullshit.
我以为那只是婚外恋
It's not.
那不是
Do with it what you want.
你想怎么做就怎么做吧
…not a single bit
没有一点
of aid or assistance,
援助或帮助
and it's about 45 minutes' drive…
而且 大约45分钟的车程
Shit.
见鬼
This is it.
就是这个
This is it.
就是这个
For your records. November 3rd, 2015.
供你存档 2015年11月3日
I have experienced repeated harassment and abuse from the head of this company.
我曾多次遭受这家公司老板的骚扰和虐待
I am a 28-year-old woman trying to make a living and a career.
我是一个28岁的女人 努力谋生 努力工作
I am a professional.
我是一位专业人士
I am sexualized and diminished.
我被性化了 被贬损了
I have been fearful about speaking up,
我一直害怕说出来
but remaining silent is causing me great distress.
但保持沉默给我带来了巨大的痛苦
He told me, "I'm a bad boy,
他告诉我 "我是个坏家伙
but what's important is that I'm honest about it."
但重要的一点是 我很坦诚"
He said the only thing I was good for was making babies.
他说 我唯一所擅长的就是传宗接代
An assistant told me Harvey made her give him a massage while he was naked.
一位助理告诉我 哈维赤裸着身子要求她进行按摩
It was horrible to see her so upset.
看着她如此沮丧 我不禁心头一震
When I complained to their human resources executive,
当我向他们的人力资源主管投诉时
the response was, "Let us know if he hits you or crosses a line physically."
得到的答复是"如果他打你 或是有什么越界之举 请告知我们"
Harvey Weinstein is a 64-year-old world-famous man,
哈维·韦恩斯坦 一位64岁的世界级名人
and this is his company.
而这就是他的公司
The balance of power is me, zero, Harvey Weinstein, ten.
权利天秤的两端 我为零 哈维则是十
Go write.
去写吧
You've got the story.
写下来
Once we publish, everything else will come out.
一旦我们的报道问世 其他东西也会随之浮出水面
-And talk to Lauren O'Connor. -Yeah.
-和劳伦·奥康纳谈谈 -好
Get ahold of the Weinstein Company board for their response.
联系韦恩斯坦公司的董事会 等一个回应
Let me call Lance Maerov.
我去打电话给兰斯·马罗夫
Write it. Let's get ready.
写出来 我们得做好准备
My client does not want to be named.
我的委托人不愿透露姓名
That memo was never for public distribution.
那份备忘录从未公开发布过
Lauren.
劳伦
My client is here, but she's too upset to speak.
我的委托人来了 但她沮丧到一句话也说不出
Lauren, I'm sorry this is difficult for you.
劳伦 抱歉 我知道这对你来说很艰难
We're not gonna publish the whole memo.
我们不会把整份备忘录公诸于世的
And we will make it absolutely clear you were not the source
我们将明确表示 消息来源不便透露
and that you declined to comment.
你不予置评就好了
But we do intend to use your name for its credibility.
但我们想用你的名字来提高可信度
If you were a victim of sexual assault, we would absolutely keep your anonymity.
如果你是性侵受害者 我们保证不会泄露你的名字
But as a witness to what went on,
但作为事发现场的目击者
it would make this story much stronger to name you.
标明你的名字 会让这篇报道更有说服力
Hi, Lance. This is Megan Twohey from The New York Times.
嗨 兰斯 这是《纽约时报》的梅根·吐赫
We have a memo here from Lauren O'Connor to The Weinstein Company.
我们这里有一份劳伦·奥康纳所写的关于韦恩斯坦公司的备忘录
What? Shit.
什么东西 我靠
We wanna know, what did you do about it?
我们想知道 你做了什么？
What did the board do about it?
董事会对此做了什么?
Lance?
兰斯
We did try to change things with the police complaint in 2015.
我们确实在2015年试图把警方的投诉压下来
What about this memo? It was there and then it was gone?
那份备忘录呢？本来在那儿 然后就不见了?
Look, we were all worried about Harvey's behavior.
对于哈维的行为 我们一直都很担心出点什么事
Can I quote you, Lance?
我能引用你的所说的话吗
Yes.
可以
Yes, you can.
你可以引用
So, Lauren's complaint?
那 劳伦的抱怨呢?
It was withdrawn days after it was sent.
邮件发出几天后就被撤回了
So, yeah, I let it go.
所以我也就睁一只眼闭一只眼
Well, why do you think it was withdrawn?
你觉得那封邮件为什么会被撤回?
I really don't know why.
我真不知道
Look, are you sure that this isn't just young women
你确定这不是那些
who wanna sleep with a movie producer to try to get ahead?
想和电影制片人上床以获得成功的年轻女性的伎俩吗？
We have decades of allegations,
几十年的指控 骚扰
accusations of harassment, assault, rape,
攻击 强奸
and multiple settlements.
包括多次和解的记录
I know you're gonna need to speak to the board,
我知道你需要跟董事会谈谈
but could you wait until after the weekend?
但你能等到周末之后再去谈吗?
Is that possible?
有这个可能吗？
Okay.
好
Ashley,
艾什莉
I know that ideally a lot of women would be jumping together,
我知道 最理想的情况就是 众多女性一同站出来
but that's not what's happening.
但事实并非如此
But we do have a series of incidents and a predatory pattern.
但我们的确发现了一系列事件及掠食模式
You would be coming forward alone,
你会独自一人站出来
but you would be standing on a mountain of evidence.
但你会站在堆积如山的证据之上
Ashley?
艾什莉？
Yes. I'll think about it very seriously, Jodi.
我会认真考虑这件事的
I promise.
我保证
Thank you, Ashley.
谢谢你
We go with what we have.
我们手头现在有什么？
I know we need to be mindful of The New Yorker,
我们需要关注《纽约客》这一点 我知道
but couldn't we wait just a little longer, just for these women to commit?
但我们就不能再等一段时间 让这些女性做出表态吗?
No. We need to publish.
我们要做的就是发表报道
It's nothing like the whole story.
故事体系还不完整
This can be the first arrow. More women will come forward afterwards.
这可以是第一支箭 之后会有更多女性站出来
It could be so much stronger, Dean.
迪恩 整件事本可以更有说服力的
It's solid.
可靠就行
We need to go.
我们得推进了
How much time will we give Weinstein to respond?
我们会给韦恩斯坦留有多长时间做出回应？
Twenty-four hours?
24小时吗?
I'd double it.
还是加倍
Forty-eight hours. That's fair.
48小时 这才公平
Two days?
两天？
How many people could Harvey and his team talk to
在这么长的时间里
in that amount of time?
哈维能跟他团队的人聊多少
David?
戴维？
I'd go with Rebecca.
我会和丽贝卡一起去
We want to be irreproachable from the legal side.
我们希望在法律方面 无可挑剔
Good. Let's call Lanny.
那好 我们打电话给兰尼吧
We'll ask to speak to Harvey and his team at one o'clock tomorrow.
我们将要求明天一点 与哈维及其团队进行通话
We'll tell them what we have
我们会告诉他们我们所掌握的情况
and give him, uh, two days to respond or refute.
然后给他两天时间用来回应或反驳
It's midnight. Go home.
都到午夜了 回家吧
-We will. -Good night.
-我们一会回 -晚安
If just one of the women would have gone on the record…
如果这些女性中有一个愿意公开发言
Why is he taking the tunnel?
为什么要走隧道？
We just needed one woman.
我们只需要一位女性站出来
Jodi. Stop it.
乔迪 别说了
Let it go.
任其发展吧
Maybe if we had been able to get them all into a room together.
如果我们能把大家都召集到一个房间里
A room would make no difference.
共处一室 也于事无补
They don't wanna go on the record by themselves.
她们不想自己公开露面
Would you want to?
换作是你 你愿意吗？
Hi.
嗨
Yeah.
嗯
Hi.
嗨
Hi.
嗨
Shh,
嘘
-Shh,
嘘
It's been two fucking hours.
他妈的 已经过了两小时了
It's a tactic,
这也是一种策略
but I have things to do.
但我有事要做啊
Hello?
喂
Dean? I have Harvey Weinstein and his lawyer, Charles Harder, for you.
哈维·韦恩斯坦和他的律师查尔斯·哈德想见你
Okay, let's go, team.
大家行动起来
-You ready? -We're ready.
-准备好了吗 -好了
Put them through.
接进来
Harvey?
哈维
Charles?
查尔斯？
Dean.
迪恩
How do you wanna do this, Harvey?
哈维 你想怎么做？
I don't wanna do this, is what I want.
我想做的就是静观其变
Are they there? The reporters?
他们也在吗 那些记者？
We're all here.
我们都在这
Who have you talked to?
你要跟谁聊？
We've sent you who we're covering, Harvey.
我们已经派记者过去采访你了
Who have you talked to?
你跟谁聊过？
Harvey, we need some--
哈维 我们需要
Are you talking to Gwyneth Paltrow?
你在和格温妮丝·帕特洛说话吗？
Gwyneth's not in the story, Harvey.
格温妮丝不在这个故事里
Why don't you tell me who's on the record and let me respond to that?
不如你跟我明说吧 都有些谁 我好以此作出回应
Yeah.
嗯
Harvey, how many settlements have you paid out over the years?
哈维 这些年来 你付了多少和解金?
We were told eight to 12.
我们掌握的数据是八到十个人收到过你的和解金
That's you talking. That's not me talking.
这就是你说的 这不是我说的
If Lanny spoke, he spoke for himself and not on behalf of his client.
如果兰尼说了什么 那仅代表他自己 不代表他的雇主
How much time are you giving us to respond?
你留有多长时间让我们做出回应？
We need two weeks.
我们需要两周的时间
You'll have two days.
你只有两天
This goes back to the '90s.
事情可以追溯到90年代
If you mess up and don't tell the truth,
如果你混淆视听 满嘴谎言
how do you look yourself in the eye?
那你成什么人了
It's been 90 minutes, Harvey, and we're gonna wrap it up now.
已经90分钟了 哈维 我们还有其他事要处理
Harvey's just disputed Lanny's eight to 12.
哈维刚刚对兰尼所说的八到十这个范围 提出异议
We have to have corroboration.
我们必须掌握确证
Eight to 12 settlements has to be backed up.
这个数字范围 必须得到确认
-Who can you call at the company? -
你还能跟那家公司的人联系吗？
I'll ask David Glasser.
我会联系戴维·格拉瑟
It's Ashley.
艾什莉来电话了
Pick up. Answer it.
接吧
I am. I am.
好
Ashley.
艾什莉
How are you?
最近好吗
I'm good. Yeah. I'm good. I just went for a run.
我很好啊 刚去跑了会步
That's great. That's great. Running is good.
那敢情好啊 跑步有益健康
I talked to my lawyer,
我和我的律师谈过了
and I've been thinking about what the right thing to do is.
我一直在思考怎样做才是正确之举
Yeah. Of course.
当然
Of course.
当然
And?
然后呢?
I'm prepared to be a named source in your investigation.
成为可具名的消息来源以帮助你调查 我已经做好准备了
I have to…
我必须…
as a woman and a Christian.
作为一个女人和一个基督徒
Jodi?
乔迪？
Yes.
我在
We'll speak soon.
待会见吧
Yes.
好
Ashley, thank you.
艾什莉谢谢你
Thank you.
谢谢
Ashley said yes.
她答应了
She said yes.
她答应了
Ashley said yes.
她说可以
She did, Jodi. She did.
乔迪 她答应出面了
Okay. Here we go with the whole damn story.
这就一整个离谱到极致的故事
The lede is Ashley Judd's account of the Peninsula suite.
开头是艾什莉·贾德对半岛酒店事件的描述
Get a good Judd quote to end the section.
用贾德所言的振聋发聩的一句话 来结束这一章节
I'm on it.
我这就去
We publish as soon as the piece is in good shape.
一旦文章成型 我们就会发表
Let's go.
去忙吧
-Hello? -Hi, David.
-喂？ -嗨 戴维
This is Megan Twohey from The New York Times.
我是《纽约时报》的梅根·吐赫
I thought it was fair to give you, as company president, a chance to comment.
我觉得给一家公司的总裁抒发己见的机会 也算公平
Are you up to speed with everything?
情况你都了解了吗？
I am.
了解了
The board had an emergency conference call.
董事会开了个紧急电话会议
David, the eight to 12 settlements, we have conflicting reports.
戴维 八到十二这个范围 我们现在无法确定
We don't need to name you,
我们不需要你提供自己的名字
but would you confirm for me that eight to 12 is accurate?
但你能帮我确认这个范围是否准确吗？
How many?
多少
Eight to 12. Are we safe using that figure?
八到十二 我们所用这个数字准确吗？
Eight to 12.
八到十二
Uh, yeah. Yes. That's accurate.
对 这是准确的
I appreciate it, David. Thank you.
我很感激 谢谢你了 戴维
David Glasser says yes to eight to 12 settlements.
戴维·格拉瑟说八到十二这个范围 是准确的
It's not enough time.
时间不多了
-It's not just me here. - Right. Yeah.
-这里不只有我 -没错
-You must know that, right? - Yep.
-你一定知道 对吧? -嗯
I understand it's difficult.
我知道这很难
What's happening? Is Harvey on the phone?
发生什么事了?你在跟哈维通电话吗？
It's Lanny. Weinstein is refusing to give a response.
是兰尼 韦恩斯坦拒绝做出回应
- Okay. -Right?
-好吧 -嗯
Yeah. No, Lanny, I hear you.
兰尼 我听见你的声音了
Listen, I can't pull a rabbit out of a hat here.
听着 我不能凭空杜撰
We need more time.
我们需要一点时间
Here's the thing, Megan--
是这样的 梅根
Lanny, I'm sick of this shit.
兰尼 我真是受够了
You've got five different lawyers reaching out to us.
你那边有五位律师联系了我们
We're not talking to five different lawyers.
我们不会和五个不同的律师谈这事
Get your people in line and get back to us with your response.
让你的人排好队 然后告诉我们你的回应是什么？
This is not a response. This is a novel.
这算什么回应 这就是一本小说
They call the women liars and the journalism false.
他们称这些女性是骗 称新闻报道虚假荒诞
It's legalistic bullying.
说这是法律上的欺凌行为
I sent back three paragraphs to counter their 18 pages.
我发回了三段话来反驳他们的这18页
I've asked for their data.
我要了他们的数据
-And I invite them to court. -Let's see how long
-我请他们出庭 -让我们看看
-before they get back to us.
他们多久会给我们答复
Waiting time's up.
等时机成熟
Weinstein wants to meet. He's on his way here.
韦恩斯坦想过来面对面聊聊 他正在路上
Do we let him in?
我们应该让他进来吗？
Let him in.
让他进吧
I've got this.
我来处理
-Hi, Lisa. -Hi.
-嗨 丽萨 -嗨
-Is this everyone? -Yep.
-都到齐了吗? -嗯
Okay, follow me.
那跟我来吧
-That's what you're gonna do. -Only five. Come on. We've got folders.
-这就是你要处理的 只有五个 来吧 我们这边有文件夹
We have the folders. We've got evidence.
我们有文件夹 我们有证据
You're a good writer, Megan.
梅根 你真不愧是笔杆子
Are you really willing to stake your reputation on this story?
你真愿意拿你的名誉来赌这个故事吗?
-She's smiling. Everybody looks happy. -Would you smile if this happened to you?
-她在微笑 每个人看起来都很开心 -如果这件事发生在你身上 你会微笑吗？
None of these women are credible witnesses.
这些女人都不是可靠的证人
How's this one?
那这位呢？
She's a nut.
她是个疯子
She's a shakedown artist.
是个敲诈高手
Is it there? Is it online?
在哪儿 是在线上吗？
Yes. They have it too.
对 他们也有
So it's in both.
都有
What happened?
发生什么事了？
What you'd expect.
如你所料
Trying to discredit the actresses.
试图抹黑女演员
What's wrong?
哪里出错了
Harvey and his team have spoken to Variety and Hollywood Reporter.
哈维和他的团队接受了《Variety》和《Hollywood Reporter》的采访
-What? -About us and the story.
-什么? -关于我们和那个故事
He claims to be surprised by it.
他声称对此 他深感惊讶
This is bad.
不好了
You have to write fast. We've just lost any privacy.
你得加快速度写稿了 我们没隐私可言了
Let me see the lede.
我看看引言
All I think is we have to lead with this.
我想说的是 我们得站出来带头做这件事
That has to be at the top of the paragraph.
这句必须得放在这段的开头
-I think it's fine as two, don't you? -I think it's right.
-我觉得留两个人就好了 你觉得呢 -对
Go home. I'll check this.
你们回家吧 我来检查一下
Really?
真的吗？
And they're really appealing to people.
这些牢牢抓住了大众的眼球
If you know anything, please come forward.
如多您知道什么 请联系我们
Why shouldn't I just do a fucking interview right now
凭什么我现在就不能接受《华盛顿邮报》的采访
with The Washington Post based on your lack of transparency?
就因为你们缺乏透明度吗？
You want some sort of list of who we're talking to for this story,
你不就是想知道 我们跟哪些受害者联系过吗
and if we don't disclose it to you, you're threatening us?
如果我们不向你透露 就拿这个威胁我们是吧？
If you're using Gwyneth Paltrow, tell me.
如果是格温妮丝·帕特洛 那你们直说也无妨
We're not using Gwyneth Paltrow.
不是她
Are you talking to Gwyneth Paltrow?
你们跟格温妮丝·帕特洛聊过了吗？
Hey, Harvey. This is Dean. Here's the deal.
哈维 我是迪恩 是这样的
You need to give us your statement now. I'm about to push the button.
你现在需要给我们录下陈述 我这就打算按下按钮了
Dean, let me tell you something about intimidation.
迪恩 让我告诉你什么是恐吓
I'll talk to The Post. I will.
我会联系《华盛顿邮报》
Call them. That's fine.
没事 联系吧
You can call The Post.
你可以跟《华盛顿邮报》联系
Harvey, I'm trying to be fair with you.
哈维 对你 我们总是把公平二字摆在前头
You are intimidating me, Dean.
你这在恐吓我
No, I'm trying to get your statement. Please, give it to us now.
不是 我们就想听听你的陈述 请说吧
We're about to publish.
我们会将其整理刊登
-I want to give it to you. -Thank you.
-我也想说 -多谢
Is Gwyneth in it?
格温妮丝也在其中吗？
She's not in the story.
不在
So here's what we need to do, Harvey.
哈维 我们只是在做需要做的事
We wanna give you every word that you wanna say.
我们想让你说出 你想说的每一个字
So say it.
开始吧
I also have a newspaper to put out. I'm gonna walk out.
我还有一份报纸要出版 先走了
Talk to my reporters. Take care.
跟我们的记者谈谈吧 祝好
Good luck.
祝你好运
You have a reckless disregard for the truth.
你如此鲁莽 以致于无视真相
You want a hit story, and these allegations are false.
你想要上头条 而这些指控都是假的
We don't want a hit story, Lisa.
丽莎 我们不需要什么上头条
Harvey's going to take some time off to focus on this issue.
哈维将会抽出一段时间来关注这个问题
Are you, Harvey?
哈维 是这样吗？
Yes, I'm gonna take time off.
没错 我打算休息一段时间
From the company?
暂时不再管理公司
Yes. I wanna spend some time learning.
对 我想花点时间学习学习
-Learning and listening to me. -He's going to take a leave of absence.
-学习且倾听 -他要休假了
Double space here.
双倍行距
-And here.
这里也是
It's Laura.
是劳拉
Hi. Laura, how are you?
嗨 劳拉 最近好吗？
Yes, I'm okay.
还不错
Today's my surgery.
今天是我做手术的日子
I'm about to go in.
我要进手术室了
Um, look, I never signed any contract.
听着 我从没签过任何协议
I'm not gagged,
我没有被封住嘴
and I want to speak out on behalf of the women who can't.
我只是想代表那些不能发言的女性说出事实
I have three daughters,
我有三个女儿
and I don't want them to ever accept abuse or bullying as normal.
我不希望她们被虐待或欺凌
You can use anything I've said.
我所说的每句话 你都可以引用
I'll do it.
我会的
I'll go on the record.
我会进行公开声明的
Thank you, Laura.
劳拉 谢谢你
Thank you.
谢谢
I'll be thinking of you.
我会想着你的
-Oh, Laura. -
劳拉
Oh, beautiful, beautiful Laura.
劳拉 干得漂亮啊
Are you okay, Laura?
你没事吧
Yes. I'm fine.
我没事
Thank you.
谢谢
I really am.
我真的没事
Their statements are in. I'm pulling quotes.
他们的声明已经发出去了 我会进行引用
Yep.
好
So, do you-- Okay. You're so good.
那你 真的 你太棒了
-Have you pulled the quotes? -I'm doing it now.
-你引用这段了吗? -正在弄
It's ready to go.
万事俱备
Let's read it together one last time.
让我们最后一起读一次
Yeah.
好
One second.
1秒
Yeah.
好了
Okay?
可以吗？
Okay?
可以吗？
-Yeah. -Okay.
-嗯 -好